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10-20-2020, 11:15 AM
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Established Member
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Location: Urbana
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M.O.C. #26968
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Suspensions
I have to replace my leaf spring. I was wondering which upgrade for the suspension provides the best return on investment.
I have a 2014 Montana. We broke a rear axle spring and the mechanic said for safety sake, replace the others. God was looking out for us because we drove 700 miles with this broken and didn't know it.
Back to question. Is adding shocks, replacing the hanger thing in the middle, (lol. Don't know what they call it) or what will help with towing. Smooth out the ride for the equipment in the RV and overall better for everything.
I have a 7000 lb dual Axel that was factory installed. I just figured that with replacing the spring, I ought to take advantage and try to help out more.
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10-20-2020, 12:16 PM
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Montana Master
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I don't think anything results in a return for the money if you mean being able to recoup the costs when selling the trailer. If you mean what changes really work to improve the design, then the Morryde independent suspension is the best at doing that. I had two rubber shear spring failures and then a wet bolt break in half which mangled the rear spring hanger before I said enough with the old system. If I ever bought another fifth wheel, it would take the trip to morryde before any use period.
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10-20-2020, 12:34 PM
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Montana Master
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You most likely have the MorRyde LRE suspension equalizer that is between your tandem axles. This is one step down from the IS or Independent Suspension that MorRyde also makes and installs. For a trailer that old, upgrading to the IS would seem a bit much, but that's up to you. We have about 70,000 miles on our trailer with the same suspension you have and have only lost one spring and one shackle bolt in all that time. I would have had the IS installed when we were at the national rally in 2014, but couldn't get in to MorRyde for over a month, so it never got installed. If you are intending to keep the rig for a while, I would say replace all the spring packs, make sure the installer installs the bronze bushings in all the spring eyes and check that all the shackle bolts are good or just put new ones in. Also, check the rubber springs in the LRE units to make sure they don't have large cracks, as this would be a good time to replace them as well if they are bad. This is a link to the MorRyde LRE suspension owners manual and another link on how to inspect the rubber springs. Also a brochure about the IS.
https://www.morryde.com/wp-content/u...ers-Manual.pdf
https://www.morryde.com/wp-content/u...tion-Guide.pdf
https://www.morryde.com/wp-content/u...S-Brochure.pdf
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10-20-2020, 12:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rohrmann
You most likely have the MorRyde LRE suspension equalizer that is between your tandem axles. This is one step down from the IS or Independent Suspension that MorRyde also makes and installs. For a trailer that old, upgrading to the IS would seem a bit much, but that's up to you. We have about 70,000 miles on our trailer with the same suspension you have and have only lost one spring and one shackle bolt in all that time. I would have had the IS installed when we were at the national rally in 2014, but couldn't get in to MorRyde for over a month, so it never got installed. If you are intending to keep the rig for a while, I would say replace all the spring packs, make sure the installer installs the bronze bushings in all the spring eyes and check that all the shackle bolts are good or just put new ones in. Also, check the rubber springs in the LRE units to make sure they don't have large cracks, as this would be a good time to replace them as well if they are bad. This is a link to the MorRyde LRE suspension owners manual and another link on how to inspect the rubber springs. Also a brochure about the IS.
https://www.morryde.com/wp-content/u...ers-Manual.pdf
https://www.morryde.com/wp-content/u...tion-Guide.pdf
https://www.morryde.com/wp-content/u...S-Brochure.pdf
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Thank you very much. Very good info. I love this site. So many helpful people.
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10-20-2020, 12:53 PM
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M.O.C. #26968
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jcurtis934
I don't think anything results in a return for the money if you mean being able to recoup the costs when selling the trailer. If you mean what changes really work to improve the design, then the Morryde independent suspension is the best at doing that. I had two rubber shear spring failures and then a wet bolt break in half which mangled the rear spring hanger before I said enough with the old system. If I ever bought another fifth wheel, it would take the trip to morryde before any use period.
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You are right I didn't explain that too well. I mean ROI = best performance for the RV. I realize the money ROI just won't be there. Cost of doing business. :-)
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10-20-2020, 04:31 PM
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Site Team
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Kind of depends on what you plan on doing with your trailer. We wouldn't be without independent suspendion and disk breaks, but we full time and usually tow well over 10,000 miles per year. If you just go down the road to the lake that system is very pricy so it just depends on what you do.
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10-20-2020, 07:02 PM
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Montana Master
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RBul31
I have to replace my leaf spring. I was wondering which upgrade for the suspension provides the best return on investment.
I have a 2014 Montana. We broke a rear axle spring and the mechanic said for safety sake, replace the others. God was looking out for us because we drove 700 miles with this broken and didn't know it.
Back to question. Is adding shocks, replacing the hanger thing in the middle, (lol. Don't know what they call it) or what will help with towing. Smooth out the ride for the equipment in the RV and overall better for everything.
I have a 7000 lb dual Axel that was factory installed. I just figured that with replacing the spring, I ought to take advantage and try to help out more.
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Disc brakes were on our unit when we bought it. Just had the IS installed in June and transferred the disc brakes over. All I can say it WOW, what a difference. Left Mor ryde with a plastic cup purposely placed on the island counter and it was still there 750 miles later.
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2011 Montana 3455 SA. 6 point level up. Disc brakes. Curt Q24 Hitch. 5 step glow steps
Progressive EMS. Valterra tank valves. Sailun G637 tires. ARP fridge control. All led lighting. Mor Ryde IS
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10-20-2020, 07:51 PM
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Montana Master
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I accidentally left hand sanitizer on the counter end of the day driving it was still there. I laughed the wife laughed, it was a good day.. oh all stock suspension.
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10-20-2020, 08:03 PM
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Montana Master
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Last2Die
I accidentally left hand sanitizer on the counter end of the day driving it was still there. I laughed the wife laughed, it was a good day.. oh all stock suspension.
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We've had similar experiences. It's amazing how control over your steering wheel improves the ride of the trailer.
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10-20-2020, 08:46 PM
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Montana Fan
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Do your sinks covers still hop out? Mine still do , but the road had to be awful bad.
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10-20-2020, 08:50 PM
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Montana Master
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 77cruiser
Do your sinks covers still hop out? Mine still do , but the road had to be awful bad.
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Dang don’t even know where those are !! Lol
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2018 3920fb 2020 GMC Denali 3500 4x4 Duramax, 10 speed Allison. LB SRW, Firestone air bags with Airlift wireless onboard compressor. Anderson Ultimate Hitch. MX4 folding cover. 50gal titan in bed transfer tank. Onan 6500 lp genset installed by me ! Had: 2 HF 3500 Inverters with Parallel Kit
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10-20-2020, 09:46 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: westminster md
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M.O.C. #17894
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I guess it is what it is but it's a damn shame you can't inform someone about some of the great products out there without getting sarcastic remarks.
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10-21-2020, 07:17 AM
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Montana Master
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Yes, I've had the sink cover pop out. That's CA roads for you. There is a $7k fix for that but I just stow the cover beneath the sink instead. We have a ceiling fan in the rear with two chains that hang down. If I drive all over the road the chains will swing around and get hung up in the lamp's glass. When I drive more carefully the chains remain hanging.
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2016 3160, Legacy, Sailuns, Splendide 2100 xc vented, 1 1/2" axle lift blocks, disk brakes. 2014 Ram 3500 SRW SWB 4X4 6.7 Aisin Mega Cab, EBC slotted disks and brakes, Titan fuel tank.
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10-21-2020, 07:37 AM
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Montana Master
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Quote:
Originally Posted by beeje
I guess it is what it is but it's a damn shame you can't inform someone about some of the great products out there without getting sarcastic remarks.
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Hey don't take it personal. Besides, Ive seen you dish it out a time or two. I'm good with whatever folks want for their rig. The IS probably does some good and glad you like it.
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2016 3160, Legacy, Sailuns, Splendide 2100 xc vented, 1 1/2" axle lift blocks, disk brakes. 2014 Ram 3500 SRW SWB 4X4 6.7 Aisin Mega Cab, EBC slotted disks and brakes, Titan fuel tank.
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10-21-2020, 08:41 AM
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Montana Master
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M.O.C. #17894
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FYI the cost of the 7K IS is $3900. Installed. If you add the installation of disc brakes, it can get up there around 7 k
I've seen plenty of folks on this forum and others that spent 2500 replacing axles Springs whatever. That doesn't make much sense to me when you can spend a little more and be done with the leaf spring suspension
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10-21-2020, 09:09 AM
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Montana Fan
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My 7K in May of 2019 was 6,757.49
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10-21-2020, 10:17 AM
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Montana Master
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M.O.C. #17894
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 77cruiser
My 7K in May of 2019 was 6,757.49
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At that price that had to include a full new install of disc brakes also, correct ? Not just the independent suspension ?
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10-21-2020, 10:41 AM
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Montana Fan
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Yup that was the whole deal.
Only issue was they screwed up the alignment & burned my tires off in about 4000 miles. They sprung for new tires & I set the toe in myself.
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10-21-2020, 10:54 AM
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Montana Master
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M.O.C. #17894
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 77cruiser
Yup that was the whole deal.
Only issue was they screwed up the alignment & burned my tires off in about 4000 miles. They sprung for new tires & I set the toe in myself.
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Well that's definitely not good. While my install was happening I did take note that it does make a difference as to which technician does your job. Some are clearly much better than others at what they do.
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10-21-2020, 11:26 AM
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Montana Fan
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Quote:
Originally Posted by beeje
Well that's definitely not good. While my install was happening I did take note that it does make a difference as to which technician does your job. Some are clearly much better than others at what they do.
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I wasn't overly impressed by the one that did the work on my trailer.
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