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02-14-2016, 06:46 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Redding
Posts: 1,421
M.O.C. #12339
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Weight surprised me! Tow vehicle & Trailer !
I ventured to the Cat scales over the weekend to finally get my actual weights. My F450 without me, came in at "9427 lbs." complete with full tank of fuel and my Yamaha 3000iesb generator, inside its custom steel box, hitch etc. The 3750 with 1/2 tank water and fully loaded was lower than I had expected at 14,350 lbs. I feel better about knowing the true numbers. We will still do some trimming to improve MPG. I can't help but wonder, if the small basement of front living room units, help reduce weight. I can tell you that we have everything imaginable in the Montana, just figured we were a great deal heavier!
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02-15-2016, 01:31 AM
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Site Team
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Wilsey
Posts: 18,799
M.O.C. #11455
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Always good to know the actuals. We weigh with Smart Weigh every other year and make adjustments accordingly. Smart Weigh will give you the weight on each tire.
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Dick, Joyce, Diego, Picatso and Gustav
2017 3720 RL, and 2013 HC 343RL
Pullrite Hitch, IS, Disk Brakes, 3rd AC, Winegard Traveler, Bathroom door mod, Dometic 320, couch for desk swap, replaced chairs, sun screens, added awnings, etc.
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02-15-2016, 01:38 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Frostproof, FL USA
Posts: 2,362
M.O.C. #13272
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Your Montana weight is actually pretty light at 14,350 lbs loaded. The last time I was over the scales I ended up at 15,240 fully loaded with very little water in the fresh tank.
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Previous: 2008 Montana 3400RL & 2014 3725RL
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02-15-2016, 02:00 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Hixson
Posts: 3,436
M.O.C. #11397
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Why did you not include yourself and any other passengers that are normally in the truck when towing? Good to know those weights but did you not get axle weights so you would have that information and calculate your pin weight?
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2018.5 Montana 3791RD
Full Timers 9/1/2010 through 1/16/2020.
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02-15-2016, 02:52 AM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Manhattan
Posts: 63
M.O.C. #18254
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I always like to double check my math and use this website. If you know you weight of your truck and truck plus 5er you can get all the info you need.
http://www.towingplanner.com/ActualW...WheelCatScales
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02-15-2016, 04:28 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Chilliwack
Posts: 1,520
M.O.C. #12935
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I agree with J&C your trailer weight seems low, I do not have a washer/dryer and my 3402RL weighed in at 15,255 (axle - 12,456 + 2799 pin weight)with no water in tanks.
When weighing I always weigh steering axle, drive axle unhitched but with myself and my wife and all that we will carry in the truck, then re-weigh same axles plus trailer axle hooked up. These are needed to determine your pin weight. I only concern myself with the GVWR of the truck and the GVWR of the trailer axles.
The website mentioned by CWSWine makes everything easy but I have just used plain old math and reach the same conclusion.
Would be interesting to know your pin weight.
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02-15-2016, 06:06 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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How often do you tow the Montana without you in the truck and your Montana weight is low. We are long timers our 13 3402 came in at 15,100 lb ourF350 full fuel myself and Helen Bird, hitch and everything in the truck ..Everything came in at 9012 Lbs.
It is good t o know your actual weigh and it usually is way more than you expect it to be. The first time we weighed our 06 3400, same truck we were 1000 lbs over GCWR....but it pulled it fine.
We did serious weight reductions on the 3400 and on the 3402 but we are still over GCWR.
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02-15-2016, 09:04 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Redding
Posts: 1,421
M.O.C. #12339
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Well to answer the questions, I know how much I weigh, and actual weight of my wife with our two dogs...right down to the lb. The total adds another 605 lbs*. Since those are variable weights, they are easy to add into equation. I did not take everyone with me to the scales.. Lol. I too agree it seemed light, but again we don't full time, and as I stated, lack of basement space might have helped us be more frugal. With or without the factory ordered suspension upgrades installed on our truck, we have lots of room before its max weight is reached.
*Now keep this in mind, we have two big dogs...and my wife is very very light, as I have been instructed to state....!
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02-16-2016, 02:45 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Frostproof, FL USA
Posts: 2,362
M.O.C. #13272
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I know many folks will go over the scales hooked up, then drop the trailer, go weigh the truck, then hook back up. I always found it more convenient to just drive over the scales at some point while getting fuel during a traveling day. Then within the next several days we always seemed to be camped with a mile or so of a truck stop with scales. I would just leave the truck loaded and scale it by itself.
I know I spend $20 by doing it this way instead of just $10.00. But to me it is worth it not having to drop my Montana in a truck stop parking lot and then hooking it back up again after weighing my truck. As far as weighing each tire I really never bought into that. My G614's can handle a little more weight even if it may not be distributed exactly evenly.
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02-16-2016, 03:42 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,670
M.O.C. #2283
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What is really needed is for Keystone to put these campers on a diet. If the HCs can be a ton or more lighter the Montenas can loose at least a thousand pounds.
Lynwood
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02-16-2016, 07:29 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Redding
Posts: 1,421
M.O.C. #12339
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Keystone makes that RV. It's call Cougar!
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02-16-2016, 07:52 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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We weigh at rallies every couple of years. We will weigh at the FCRV rally In Oklahoma this summer once you get a good set of weights
you pretty much know were you are and how much you can vary. It is that first weigh in that is a throat clutcher you never think you weigh as much as you really do. The very first weigh in of our truck was 9215lbs we removed a bunch of "stuff" some of which we had no idea we had in the truck I think we removed 100lbs of tools we never used .We are now at 9012lbs.We are long timers so we do run heavy on the Montana. We try to purge every summer. We really need a newer truck to get the GCVW up but that is not going to happen.
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02-16-2016, 07:53 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,670
M.O.C. #2283
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I had a 2955 2001 model it weighed about 9600 pounds and every year the 2955s got a little heavy heavier. If they can make my 36 foot HC that weighs 9200 pounds they can make the Montanas that weigh less without backing up to the Cougar class unit. Not there is wrong with a Cougar but it not in the same class as the Montana.
Lynwood
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02-16-2016, 01:10 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: West Richland
Posts: 1,253
M.O.C. #17164
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Some of the weight difference between HC and Montana is in different suspension, electric four way levelers instead of six way hydraulics and all cable run slides instead of just the bedroom slide. Frame might be a bit smaller also. At least that is what I remember and my memory can always be wrong.
I think they called it helium technology or something like that. The reason I was looking back then was that they were a wide body, I wish the Montana was a wide body. :-(
Tom Marty
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02-16-2016, 01:23 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,670
M.O.C. #2283
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Tom your memory is spot on.
Lynwood
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