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11-25-2013, 05:50 AM
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Established Member
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Branchport
Posts: 40
M.O.C. #10181
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Closing underbelly heat vent
Has anyone closed/blocked the underbelly storage heat vent in the rig. ? Thinking of doing it while traveling with stops from upstate NY to fl. Will be staying in VA over holidays and would like to pump the heat in the cabin vs the storage area. ? did arise about back flow to the furnace which might trip off. Thanks for any input.
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11-25-2013, 05:58 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: New Bern
Posts: 4,387
M.O.C. #8728
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That would be like blocking your air returns in your house.
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11-25-2013, 07:13 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: merced
Posts: 983
M.O.C. #6171
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I did change the vent to the belly of my trailer. I put a tee on the line to the belly and had the the straight through leg of the tee directed in to the living area with a closable vent cover. When I don't want/need the heat in the basement I leave the vent open, when closed the heat will still go into basement. This way I can still protect the tank when needed. When open the heat takes the path of less resistance and most of it come into the living area.
This was an easy project since the 2" heater line goes through the space under the entery closet, I just cut the duct and added the tee, not additional was needed.
I hated wasting all that heat
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11-25-2013, 09:39 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Fayetteville
Posts: 4,200
M.O.C. #11401
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If you are referring to the round vent in the wall that let's heat transfer to basement, and have washer in closet, the water lines run along ceiling of basement and are exposed to ambient temp.
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11-25-2013, 06:03 PM
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Established Member
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Branchport
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M.O.C. #10181
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Well I guess that answers that question. The solution to that is get the hell out of north before winter sets in. Thanks to all the replies... Will be pulling out of the Finger Lakes spend Christmas with the g.kids in Va, then on to Key West. Thanks again for the information.
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11-26-2013, 12:08 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: New Bern
Posts: 4,387
M.O.C. #8728
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That's why there are four tires on these rigs. Point them south and roll them until it's warm.
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11-26-2013, 03:48 AM
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Site Team
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Wilsey
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Best solution to saving heat is to go where it's not needed. Haven't run the furnace yet this winter and may not at all.
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11-26-2013, 04:36 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Frostproof, FL USA
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So the little white plastic vent on the basement wall, that comes out under the steps on a 3400, is a return air flow? When the temps dipped into the low 20's a couple weeks ago I taped mine up because so much cold air seemed to be coming in under the steps. Furnace seemed to run fine. Temperature gauge in basement never dropped below 31-35 degrees. So I need to leave that vent open when using furnace?
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11-26-2013, 07:21 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Washington Coast
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That vent on mine in the basement is hooked to nothing, I see no purpose for it since the walls do not go all the way to the top of the basement anyway there is lots air going in and out of the basement to the underbelly so what's the point of the Vent if you mean the cold air coming from under the stairs I just put filters behind the stair vents and that helps keep the cold air out of the rig without impeeding air flow much
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11-26-2013, 09:26 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Lincoln
Posts: 861
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JandC,
I think what you are referring to is the heat vent for the garage. On mine it is NOT the cold air return for the furnace. There was heater hose behind the wall that was intended to keep the garage warm and protect the pipes from freezing. The vent allows heat into the garage. I stuffed a sock in mine and pulled the vent off and installed shelves instead. We never are in cold weather that we need to worry about freezing.
The cold air return is under the stairs our rig and I assume on yours as well.
Ken
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11-26-2013, 12:33 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Chilliwack
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M.O.C. #12935
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The OP did not indicate what model Montana he has, however the furnace in all of them seem to get some return air from the grates under the stairs. Since my 3402RL is the same as BigSkyJimmy's the vent in the storage compartment wall is another one of Keystone's engineering marvels. No one knows why it is there, it just is, and is hooked to nothing. As well the wall between the basement and the storage compartment does not go all the way to the top so again it begs the question "why is it there".
Here is a picture of the basement in my 3402RL looking from the storage compartment. There are three flexible pipes coming from the furnace, a 4" goes to bedroom duct, one 2" goes into the underbelly area and the other goes into a small round register in the toilet area. The living area in-floor registers are fed from the bottom of the furnace heat exchanger.
For us the bedroom with one register always seemed to be too warm, the shower area cold when closed off from the bedroom and living area, so I added a register nest to the shower that can be closed off and exchanged the one in the bedroom with one that can also be closed off. We now have a grand warm area when we get out of the shower on a cold morning and don't roast in the bedroom.
Simple mod made by cutting the floor the size of the new register into the bedroom ducting.
Closing off the 2" vent into the underbelly will not affect the operation of the furnace, you will get less heat into the underbelly area and your pipes could freeze if it is cold enough, that is the only thing you might want to consider.
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11-27-2013, 02:01 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Friendship, Maine
Posts: 483
M.O.C. #6338
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Does that 2" vent really heat the underbelly?
The underbelly is a huge area with many leaks.
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11-27-2013, 02:47 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Frostproof, FL USA
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M.O.C. #13272
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I am less confused than I was. Before posting my question about the return air I pulled off the material I had sealing the little white vent. Last night it got down to 14 degrees. We kept 2 ceramic heaters going and furnace on 68 degrees all night. This morning the temperature in the basement was 31 degrees. So Chip I am guessing that it does contribute a little to the heating of that underbelly area, but probably not much. We have 18 days before pulling out for Florida and it couldn't get here fast enough!
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11-27-2013, 03:51 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Chilliwack
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M.O.C. #12935
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by Chip
Does that 2" vent really heat the underbelly?
The underbelly is a huge area with many leaks.
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The 2" hose in my 3402 ends perhaps 6" from what you see in the picture, that is right above the black and gray holding tanks. The furnace draws air in from that whole area, including the underbelly and storage compartment along with what comes from the living area under the steps. In my opinion most of the air discharged from that 2" hose gets recirculated and precious little would make it far into the underbelly. The metal under floor ducting running the length of the living area likely contributes more to heating the underbelly area than does that hose.
JandC are you measuring the temperature in the storage compartment or actually in the underbelly. Is what you call the basement the area behind the wall of the storage compartment where the furnace is located.
It really is too bad there is not an option for a more efficient furnace, these things waste an enormous amount of heat.
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11-27-2013, 05:36 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
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we are very fortunate to be able to stay in Moderate climate year round. Our thermostat is on A/C guess we should see if the furnace works. We have used the fireplace to take the Florida chill off.
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11-27-2013, 07:13 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: North East
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M.O.C. #10758
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by JandC
Last night it got down to 14 degrees. We kept 2 ceramic heaters going and furnace on 68 degrees all night. This morning the temperature in the basement was 31 degrees.
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I put 2 drop lights with 75Watt bulbs in the basement when it gets cold, keeps the basement a good 10 degrees warmer than without.
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11-29-2013, 04:56 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Frostproof, FL USA
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M.O.C. #13272
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Irlpguy, I have the temperature sensor in the storage area. I installed new weatherstripping to all my hatches and have been monitoring that area to see what difference it has made.
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11-29-2013, 03:02 PM
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Montana Fan
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My new High Country doesn't have the vent in the basement wall like my 07' 2955RL had. Instead, there is a metal duct going thru the basement that feeds the bedroom. That is supposed to provide radiant heat to the basement. Really don't think it will provide much heat.
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