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03-29-2008, 05:49 AM
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Established Member
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Rancho Cucamonga
Posts: 25
M.O.C. #8260
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The difference is in the wheel base between the 2 trucks. The engine trans, and rear axle are all the same with the diesel/ally setup on the 3 GM pickups series. I pull a 3600RE that has a base weight of 11,000 lbs and it pulls with no problem using a new 2500HD diesel. Also go by the GCVW the truck can tow. Tim
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03-29-2008, 02:57 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: SW
Posts: 255
M.O.C. #7895
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Our federal government really through a monkey wrench into this towing business when the directed the new Tire and Loading Information sticker be put on all vehicles...not just trucks, all vehicles. No longer can we make the comments about how great our trucks are and how they meet all the specs even though they are towing a 22k Teton...it's too easy to check. Now all we have to do is read the sticker to find a particular vehicle's maximum cargo capacity.
I already had a 2500HD Duramax when somebody pointed out that sticker. After a brief revue and playing with my calculator, I decided that even though I loved that truck, I really did not want to be on the road at in excess of 1000# over the cargo capacity. My numbers were very close to Montana Sky's.
Legend, FWIW, it is physically impossible for those curb weights to be under 6000# if they have the Duramax...it adds nearly 1000# to the weight, which means it reduces the cargo capacity by the same amount.
I suggest you rework your numbers...good luck.
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03-29-2008, 03:58 PM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Waynesboro
Posts: 60
M.O.C. #8114
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If you go back to the chart link posted in this thread..........the gas and the diesel are the same curb weight........I call B.S. on GM's numbers because the Diesel is around a thousand pound heavier so how can they be the same curb weight as the same truck with a lighter gas engine.
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03-30-2008, 07:46 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Kville
Posts: 2,865
M.O.C. #7871
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by 6.7 CTD
If you go back to the chart link posted in this thread..........the gas and the diesel are the same curb weight........I call B.S. on GM's numbers because the Diesel is around a thousand pound heavier so how can they be the same curb weight as the same truck with a lighter gas engine.
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Exactly correct and what I said in an earlier post. Those numbers are for the bare base truck. The D/A is an "option" and not included in the figures.
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04-01-2008, 02:44 AM
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Established Member
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Hardy
Posts: 21
M.O.C. #3135
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Thanks again for all the great info. I understand that the chart curb weights are going to be way less than the actual truck weight. I have weighed my 2003 2500HD Ext Cab SB 4x4 with the 8.1 gasser and it comes in around 7100#. I tow my 3400RL just fine with it. Since it is impossible to weigh the exact 2008 that I want before I buy, I was trying to get a feel for the difference in going to a Crew cab Duramax instead of a Ext cab. I was comfortable with the 136# difference and I think it would tow better with the longer wheelbase. It just got me concerned when I saw the bigger difference in towing capacity.
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04-01-2008, 03:35 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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If there is a landscaping business near you they will have a scale to weigh out, mulch, stone, dirt, etc. I dont' know what Ford thinks my truck weighs but with hitch, rails, camping stuff in the bed, full tank of Diesel, Helen and myself, including Bird and travel cage.. two bottles of water and a bag of Chips ..9212 lbs.. and that is what we have to yank around..
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04-01-2008, 03:40 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Lobelville
Posts: 2,128
M.O.C. #6650
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We weight the Chevy 3500 DRW loaded and ready to Tow and the weight was 8160. Ford does seem to weight more than GM Trucks. GBY
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04-01-2008, 05:03 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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Ford is much heaver than the other two which accounts for poorer MPG for the Ford.
We purchased the truck 8/29/07 picked it up a couple of days later and on 9/10/07 it weighed 8710 with the hitch not yet installed and no bird.
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04-01-2008, 06:40 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Brownsburg
Posts: 1,186
M.O.C. #5634
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Hey Rich, ditch the bird, the 2 bottles of water and the chips. That will save on your curb weight and maybe increase your mpg.
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04-01-2008, 08:02 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Bayswater
Posts: 317
M.O.C. #6781
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I'm thinking that big diesel can carry the bird and not even notice it Rich.
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04-01-2008, 08:24 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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I don't think a 1 ton truck can get much bigger or heavier but it is a brute and could pull a house.Would not brag about the MPG tho..
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04-01-2008, 04:01 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Williamstown
Posts: 150
M.O.C. #6477
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Off topic I know...Rich you must quit with the negative vibes. Think like a sparrow and feel the wind lifting you skyward. Feel it and you will realize better MPG's. The Ford anchor is as light as any other truck...and therefore probably get's just a good of mileage, if not better. Do not be fooled by simple numbers like gallons used per trip (blah,blah,blah!). Until next time Grasshopper...
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04-01-2008, 05:46 PM
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#33
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Montana Master
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Texas City
Posts: 5,736
M.O.C. #7673
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Rich,
Teach the bird to fly when you are OTR. That will make it lighter.
Hey! Bulk the bird up and maybe he'll give you some lift and increase the MPG.
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