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05-20-2019, 04:07 AM
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New Member
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Murrells Inlet
Posts: 5
M.O.C. #11155
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Black Tank Cable Problem
I have a 2016 3610RL and having trouble whit the cable going to the gate to open and close the black water tank. The plastic sleeve that covers the cable has come out of the metal that holds the handle. Can I replace the cable. In a remote spot and is hard to move the trailer. What can I do?
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05-21-2019, 07:50 AM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: vine grove
Posts: 80
M.O.C. #13517
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Valterra EZ electric waste valve only way to go. You may have to do a little grinding on a flange to make it work but once installed, Happy, Happy, Happy. I look at it this way if your going to go into the under belly, do it right. I replaced all 3 valves with Valterra EZ. I'm so glad I did. Wife is too! $166.00 each e-trailer.
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06-13-2019, 11:12 AM
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Established Member
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Alpena
Posts: 14
M.O.C. #23535
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I have a 2016 3000 RE, just replaced both my valves with electric valves, work great. My gray valve cable broke and since I was underneath I did both valves and had enough play in lines without cutting. One other post suggested putting switches high to avoid possible water from filling or tank flush, great idea! I had to move my solar plugin over and I was able to put gray and black valve switches side by each. there is room around the corner so to speak for the galley gray switch when I get to that. I ran a wire from the 12 volt panel to a junction box near the switches, have their own 12 amp fuse. I plan to install an 12x12 access panel in storage area for the black tank manual option on the valves. Etrailer has the best price, 3 year warranty, tested mine no seepage around the valves.
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06-13-2019, 08:11 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Lake Gaston
Posts: 8,773
M.O.C. #12156
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I installed four threaded rod direct pulls, all six inches or less on our 3910. Required minor rerouting of plumbing. After three years, can still open and close with two fingers.
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Mike and Lorraine
2002 3655 FL, 2005 3650RK
2010 3665RE, 2015 3910FB
F350 crew cab dually 6.7
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06-13-2019, 10:15 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Carson City
Posts: 2,017
M.O.C. #21963
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If you repair the cable pull valves remember how you did it. You'll be doing it again. Solid rod pulls or even electrics are a lasting repair.
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2016 3160, Legacy, Sailuns, Splendide 2100 xc vented, 1 1/2" axle lift blocks, disk brakes. 2014 Ram 3500 SRW SWB 4X4 6.7 Aisin Mega Cab, EBC slotted disks and brakes, Titan fuel tank.
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06-14-2019, 03:15 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Topsham
Posts: 904
M.O.C. #10761
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1retired06
This is great to hear, it is so difficult to open and close ours. Where did you purchase the direct pulls?
Thanks for the info.
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06-14-2019, 06:48 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Lake Gaston
Posts: 8,773
M.O.C. #12156
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mainer
1retired06
This is great to hear, it is so difficult to open and close ours. Where did you purchase the direct pulls?
Thanks for the info.
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Valterra. On my rig, I pulled down the underbelly, rerouted some plumbing lines, using home depot materials including two rubber couplings, which will make it easy to change gaskets if required. Had to redirect the two pull locations in the convenience center, black to DS frame, gray to ODS frame, plugged the cable holes in the convenience center with rubber plugs. The other two pulls were located behind a flip door on the ODS side, and I was able to leave those two pulls in the same location within inches. Five hours on a Saturday, another hour following Sunday afternoon to reinstall the belly. I found all four cables to be way too long, with many kinks and bends. After fighting cable pulls for years, and immediate failure on the 3910 I decided I had had enough. Way cheaper than going electric.
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Mike and Lorraine
2002 3655 FL, 2005 3650RK
2010 3665RE, 2015 3910FB
F350 crew cab dually 6.7
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06-14-2019, 08:17 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Topsham
Posts: 904
M.O.C. #10761
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Thank you so much, this should make my husbands life a lot easier..
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06-14-2019, 01:45 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Topsham
Posts: 904
M.O.C. #10761
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Black Tank Cable Problem
Quote:
Originally Posted by mainer
Thank you so much, this should make my husbands life a lot easier..����
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1retired06
Valterra. On my rig, I pulled down the underbelly, rerouted some plumbing lines, using home depot materials including two rubber couplings, which will make it easy to change gaskets if required. Had to redirect the two pull locations in the convenience center, black to DS frame, gray to ODS frame, plugged the cable holes in the convenience center with rubber plugs. The other two pulls were located behind a flip door on the ODS side, and I was able to leave those two pulls in the same location within inches. Five hours on a Saturday, another hour following Sunday afternoon to reinstall the belly. I found all four cables to be way too long, with many kinks and bends. After fighting cable pulls for years, and immediate failure on the 3910 I decided I had had enough. Way cheaper than going electric.
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Jim asked me, did you by chance take any pictures while you were changing them out?
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06-14-2019, 06:45 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Fall Creek
Posts: 1,337
M.O.C. #3699
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Montana Man
If you repair the cable pull valves remember how you did it. You'll be doing it again. Solid rod pulls or even electrics are a lasting repair.
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On our 2015 3440RL had the trailer in the shop three times under warranty for bad cables on both black and gray tanks, final answer were replacing both cables with straight rods, no more problems. They should have built it this way from the factory!
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Bob and Nancy Kassl Fall Creek, Wisconsin
2015 Montana 3440RL Legacy Edition, G614's, Pressure Pro TPMS, Dish Tailgaters
2016 GMC Sierra Denali 3500 CC SRW, Iridium Metallic, Duramax Allison Transmission
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06-14-2019, 06:56 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Lake Gaston
Posts: 8,773
M.O.C. #12156
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mainer
Jim asked me, did you by chance take any pictures while you were changing them out?
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Took no pictures, sorry.
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Mike and Lorraine
2002 3655 FL, 2005 3650RK
2010 3665RE, 2015 3910FB
F350 crew cab dually 6.7
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06-14-2019, 07:47 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: westminster md
Posts: 2,328
M.O.C. #17894
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First off, there is absolutely nothing wrong with cable operated valves. The issue lies with the way the factories install them. They choose a valve/cable package, say 72" long and just throw it in there. The cables should be installed so that from the handle they are straight for at least 6" and as short as possible with minimal bends of a radius no more than 24". The cables MUST be anchored along the way and at both ends.
I replaced all my valves and cables a few years ago with Valterra valves and cables and they have worked perfectly ever since.
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2018 Chevy 3500 LTZ Dually Diesel 4x4 CCLB
2011 Montana 3455 SA. 6 point level up. Disc brakes. Curt Q24 Hitch. 5 step glow steps
Progressive EMS. Valterra tank valves. Sailun G637 tires. ARP fridge control. All led lighting. Mor Ryde IS
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06-14-2019, 09:32 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Carson City
Posts: 2,017
M.O.C. #21963
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RKassl
On our 2015 3440RL had the trailer in the shop three times under warranty for bad cables on both black and gray tanks, final answer were replacing both cables with straight rods, no more problems. They should have built it this way from the factory!
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Those handles sure did look impressive while the trailer was new on the lot.
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2016 3160, Legacy, Sailuns, Splendide 2100 xc vented, 1 1/2" axle lift blocks, disk brakes. 2014 Ram 3500 SRW SWB 4X4 6.7 Aisin Mega Cab, EBC slotted disks and brakes, Titan fuel tank.
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06-15-2019, 06:40 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Fall Creek
Posts: 1,337
M.O.C. #3699
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Quote:
Originally Posted by beeje
First off, there is absolutely nothing wrong with cable operated valves. The issue lies with the way the factories install them. They choose a valve/cable package, say 72" long and just throw it in there. The cables should be installed so that from the handle they are straight for at least 6" and as short as possible with minimal bends of a radius no more than 24". The cables MUST be anchored along the way and at both ends.
I replaced all my valves and cables a few years ago with Valterra valves and cables and they have worked perfectly ever since.
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I really don't care if cable systems have no inherent problems, if they don't work, they don't work for what ever reason, product, installation or what.
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Bob and Nancy Kassl Fall Creek, Wisconsin
2015 Montana 3440RL Legacy Edition, G614's, Pressure Pro TPMS, Dish Tailgaters
2016 GMC Sierra Denali 3500 CC SRW, Iridium Metallic, Duramax Allison Transmission
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