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04-01-2012, 07:10 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Redding
Posts: 1,421
M.O.C. #12339
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6 Point Leveling system
Sure this has been asked before. My new Montana i pick up this Friday, has the auto 6 point leveling system. Will I ever need to put "leaving blocks" under each foot on uneven ground or gravel? Hope that's not too dumb a question! Thanks to all who respond!
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04-01-2012, 08:26 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Bakersfield
Posts: 5,316
M.O.C. #15
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Michael,
We, too, just got a new rig and it has the leveling system on it. We've only used it 3 or 4 times so we don't have much experience yet. My thought is that we will seldom have to place any leveling blocks under the foot of any of the pads..... But having said that we will definitely take some blocks with us. There very well may be some times when we may need them. There is a real possibility that in very warm weather and when parking on asphalt we may need to have a block to help spread out the load. In the few times we have used the system we have had no need for any additional blocking and I suspect that will be the norm. Good luck and share your experience with us when you start using your new rig. Happy Trails, Dennis and Mary Kay
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04-01-2012, 08:53 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 1,284
M.O.C. #11675
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Like Dennis said, not so much for leveling, but you may need load distribution pads for some ground conditions. If it is muddy and soft for example, you might need to put down a pad to keep it from sinking in.
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04-02-2012, 03:46 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Siloam Springs
Posts: 2,206
M.O.C. #8890
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We carry 8" blocks we somtimes put under the front jacks if the angle is real severe. We have set up over 70 times plus when we park in our storage lot, we did use the blocks a Quartzsite this year.
Most the time in a RV Park they are not needed. We do use the plastic pads under the front jacks because they are on an angle and slide out when leveling. I feel it is easier for them to slide on the plastic than concrete or gravel.
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04-02-2012, 04:42 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Sebring
Posts: 3,664
M.O.C. #9969
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If you find yourself on a really off level site you may be forced into one of three options: 1) Try to get a more level site 2)use some blocks on the low side as there is only so much stroke in those jacks, or 3) Find another CG. Last summer we were on a site (at check-in we were told "Very Level". Well we ended up with some blocks on the low side and those wheels about 4 inches off the ground. Our friends we were with couldn't quite get their MH leveled. So it can happen. We do use the Orange pads from CW and put them under all jacks, especially if on grass.
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2018 Chevy 3500HD High Country DRW 4X4 Crew Cab w/Duramax/Allison, Formally 2010 Montana 2955RL, Now Loaded 2016 SOB, Mor/ryde IS, Disc Brakes & Pin Box, Comfort Ride Hitch, Sailun 17.5 Tires.
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04-02-2012, 06:30 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Castle Rock
Posts: 248
M.O.C. #11369
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Since the topic is on levelers-does anyone know how much weight the levelers add to the rig?I am thinking about adding same but am concerned about weight.
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04-02-2012, 08:05 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Hixson
Posts: 3,436
M.O.C. #11397
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RichR, additional weight added by the levelers, if any, would be minor. Rest assured the benefits received will far outweigh any additional weight. Will never agin be without auto levelers!
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04-02-2012, 08:05 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Redding
Posts: 1,421
M.O.C. #12339
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Thanks everyone my mind has been made easy! I am one of those guys who over thinks everything. I get in "thought circles" and need imput! Again thanks... My TT set up became a ritual and now I must put away my trusty Level,Drill and now my blocks? A man needs blocks! Lol
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04-03-2012, 03:14 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Homosassa
Posts: 307
M.O.C. #12211
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I use large plastic pads under mine.
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04-03-2012, 03:07 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: South
Posts: 2,499
M.O.C. #5140
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We carry the orange plastic pads along with 6 x 6 blocks. Why? Because we have had situations where we needed to level side to side over the limits of the system and we have been on sand, wet grass and soft dirt.
Like helmick, we have Level-Up'ed many, many times even though we had ours retrofitted on our 2009 Big Sky. Even when we Wal-dock, we manually level while still hooked up to the truck (I keep an eye on the hitch).
I don't always use chocks now, but when I am uncertain, I put them down and leave them. When I do this I do a manual retraction so I can watch how the tires re-settle with the chocks.
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04-04-2012, 04:54 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Texas City
Posts: 5,736
M.O.C. #7673
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As others have stated. And the stroke, as mhs4771 stated is probably the more apt to cause a problem. My old Monty did not have the auto leveling system but there were times when one of the front jacks would have a block or two under it. And in my mind, as those jacks extend to their limit they do not have as much shear strength as when they are not fully extended. (think iron tube in an iron tube).
In some systems there is an out-of-stroke sensor and I don't know if Keystone added that feature, but if one jack extends further than the other the system will stop and indicate and "out-of-stroke" on the panel. If that happens, I would wager that a block under the low side jacks would take care of the problem. I still carry them - in case.
Another two forms of jack pad are 3/4" by 12" treated plywood, slightly heavier than the plastic pads, but cheaper, and cutting boards. Just don't tell momma that you are using her cutting boards, and wash them real well before putting them back in the drawer. Cutting boards can be picked up just about anywhere.
Happy trails.
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04-04-2012, 10:32 AM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Livingston
Posts: 79
M.O.C. #8222
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As i work camp in a lot of states som eof them require that you put something under the feet at not to damage there parking pads. so you may want to take some plastic pads with you.
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04-05-2012, 05:05 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Liberty Lake
Posts: 2,310
M.O.C. #6088
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Does anyone have a price for after-market 6-point leveling system? Are there any installers in the NW?
I see that there a couple of systems - is one better that the other?
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04-05-2012, 07:55 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 1,284
M.O.C. #11675
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Hi Don,
This is the last info I have below from Lippert about installation locations. I have read that having six points of contact versus four is better on the frame. Don't know about actual cost of the upfit, others can chime in on that. Good luck.
We are excited to announce the NEW certified Level Up Installation locations!!
If you have not already had LEVEL UP installed on your coach, please see below for a listing of all newly certified LEVEL UP facilities.
DeMontrond RV
Houston, Texas
1.866.336.7018
General RV
Wixom, Michigan
Wayland, Michigan
Brownstown, Michigan
Mt. Clemens, Michigan
Jacksonville, Florida
Huntley/Chicago, Illinois
1.800.778.4878
Lippert Components, Inc
Goshen, Indiana
1.866.524.7821
La Mesa RV
Phoenix, Arizona
Tucson, Arizona
San Diego, California
Certification is scheduled for October, 2011
1.888.509.4199 – Contact Chris Pettit
Lippert Components is working on certifying dealers throughout the country to make it possible for each and every one of you to install the LEVEL UP system on your coach. We will continue to update you as more locations are certified. Please contact your preferred certified facility to set up your installation or email levelup@lci1.com for any product related inquires.
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