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10-13-2022, 08:17 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Milwaukie, OR
Posts: 1,567
M.O.C. #23668
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I agree that the technology isn't there...yet. The car dealers aren't stocked with heavy duty, long range, quick charge TVs...yet. But I've learned to never say "never". Many people honestly didn't think that the automobile would replace the horse and buggy. In the past 100 years just think through the number of innovative technologies that rendered older technologies obsolete.
It's not there yet but much smarter minds than mine are working on it. EV's are likely here to stay and will continue to push technology to beyond where it is today. Who knows when it will be ready for "prime time"...but it will continue to improve.
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Jeff & Sandi (and Teddy - 7lb Schnorkie)
2018 Montana HC 305RL / HW Progressive EMS
2015 RAM 3500 Laramie Longhorn Crew Cab 4x4 DRW / Demco Recon Hitch on RAM Puck Ball
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10-13-2022, 08:48 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2022
Location: Shingle Springs
Posts: 2,573
M.O.C. #30417
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I absolutely agree that at some point tech will replace gas and diesel. But I don't think it will happen in my lifetime and it wont be electric unless there are some major changes. Hydrogen technology among others have been suppressed for years. Hell there's tech out there that we may never hear of.
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Tony & Donna & the best dog ever, Murphy.
2022 Montana HC, 295RL, Solar Flex 400, Onan 3600 LPG, 2K inverter, 200AH Lithium. 2020 GMC Denali 2500 6.6 Duramax, Demco 21K Auto Slide
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10-13-2022, 09:33 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,663
M.O.C. #2283
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Do you remember when Cadillac build the last convertible. There would never be any more ever built and when there would never be any more mussel cars build. And what about large SUVs and huge vans. They were here to stay. I would be very careful about predicting what the future of transportation will be.
Lynwood
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10-13-2022, 09:54 AM
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Established Member
Join Date: Sep 2021
Location: Medford
Posts: 31
M.O.C. #29764
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bshgto
they tried to be nice in their review
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I think they were nice because a friend loaned them the truck. This review was not as nice, but very fair.
https://youtu.be/-e55Vued028
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Scott & Lavon
(and Tucker Too)
2021 Montana HC 372RD
2019 Ford F-350SRW Andersen Ultimate Hitch
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10-13-2022, 10:20 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Folsom, California
Posts: 575
M.O.C. #21903
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mlh
Do you remember when Cadillac build the last convertible. There would never be any more ever built and when there would never be any more mussel cars build. And what about large SUVs and huge vans. They were here to stay. I would be very careful about predicting what the future of transportation will be.
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My uncle's company purchased a lot of vehicles from the local Chevy/Cadillac Dealer. One day in 1976, he received a call from the owner of the dealership asking if he was interested in purchasing the only Bicentennial Edition (one of 200 made, all of them white inside and out with blue and red trim) that was allocated to that Dealer.
My uncle purchased it for sticker price, drove it a few times, and parked it in his garage with less than 100 miles on the odometer. Sold it about 25 years later for a lot more than he paid.
There was s special dash plaque. As Lynwood said, " I would be very careful about predicting what the future of transportation will be."
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'17 F350 6.7 Lariet
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10-16-2022, 02:02 PM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: South Jordan
Posts: 80
M.O.C. #20689
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Never say never
I’m a baby boomer that has always been an early adopter of technology. Bought first gen Beta Max machine, built my own computer in late 70’s with a hard drive, purchased first plasma monitor, Cd, DVD, Blu ray etc, but was Not a fan of electric or hybrid cars given how ugly and lack of performance! That was until I drove a Tesla. Wow, what a difference from traditional gas, hybrid and other BEV’s. Our latest 2022 Tesla Model Y has mind blowing power and range (331 miles). While my diesel GMC 3500 duramax will Likely be my only option to tow my Montana this decade, I’m seeing quantum leaps in battery technology. I can’t ever imagine going back to internal combustion engine vehicle for our daily driver vehicle. I towed my side by side off road vehicle with the model Y (rated for 3500 lbs towing) to Moab, Utah and averaged 175 miles per charge. Tesla super chargers we’re conveniently located along our journey and only took 20 mins to charge ( enough time for a restroom break and burger). EV’s battery technology is getting better and better. While it may take 5 to 10 years to practically replace the range and power of diesel pickups, that day is coming and I openly embrace and look forward to it.
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10-16-2022, 02:08 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Gardnerville
Posts: 1,280
M.O.C. #17163
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We live in an Area where Winters are Harsh. There is no way for us to do a EV.. Our hybrid is fine at 42mpg! Very Fearful of being stuck in a taffic jam or closed road due to snow and have to worry about a battery to stay warm.. Im looking for Hydrogen power.. Until then Ill enjoy my Firebird 400 , my Ram Diesel and the hybrid.. I have seen fires from these li ion batteries.. Very Scary.. NO THANKS...
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10-16-2022, 10:36 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Mesa az
Posts: 3,036
M.O.C. #5651
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It will take more than 5-10 years to get the grid up for everyone having an EV. Also, where does the power come from? Wind isn't reliable and sun only part of the day and not much of a part up north. Just foolish day dreaming in my opinion. There may be some sort of new break thru, but we don't know.
I did see some BYU prof got a small nuke reactor going that uses a salt solution or such that cant go off with no cooling, so that may be a possibility.
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01-21-2023, 10:43 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Gardnerville
Posts: 1,280
M.O.C. #17163
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I'll wait for hydrogen power. In the meantime, it's fossil.
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01-22-2023, 01:41 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 1,789
M.O.C. #14547
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In the town next to my college an elderly woman drove one of these regularly in the early 1960's. Gotta say electrics have been around a long time. I still like my diesel p/u and the gas Escape.
Decent super duty size EV pickups are a long way out though the local bus company has mostly EV buses and they are big ones
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2014 Montana High Country 343RL (Sold!)
2011 Ford 6.7 Lariat CCLB (Went to PU Heaven)
2019 F150SC XLT SE Sport,w/full tow package
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04-19-2023, 09:59 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Gardnerville
Posts: 1,280
M.O.C. #17163
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Toyota is trying out hydrogen powered vehicles. I'll wait for this..or keep the diesel..
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04-20-2023, 01:19 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Fall Creek
Posts: 1,337
M.O.C. #3699
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EV's are not the answer, and never will be. When you plug in the EV just where the hell do you think the electricity came from??
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2015 Montana 3440RL Legacy Edition, G614's, Pressure Pro TPMS, Dish Tailgaters
2016 GMC Sierra Denali 3500 CC SRW, Iridium Metallic, Duramax Allison Transmission
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04-20-2023, 06:27 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 1,789
M.O.C. #14547
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RKassl
EV's are not the answer, and never will be. When you plug in the EV just where the hell do you think the electricity came from??
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Well it. of course, comes through that wire that comes out of the wall. Geez, I thought everyone knew that all you need to do is to plug it in and charging happens.
( OK, my sarcasm for the day has been vented )
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2014 Montana High Country 343RL (Sold!)
2011 Ford 6.7 Lariat CCLB (Went to PU Heaven)
2019 F150SC XLT SE Sport,w/full tow package
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04-20-2023, 06:55 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,663
M.O.C. #2283
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I wouldn’t say an EV truck would never pull a camper. With all the new battery technology being developed it may be possible in the not too distant future say a few years. With 800 volt charging 10 minute charging is now possible for some cars.
Lynwood
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04-21-2023, 04:44 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 1,789
M.O.C. #14547
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mlh
I wouldn’t say an EV truck would never pull a camper. With all the new battery technology being developed it may be possible in the not too distant future say a few years. With 800 volt charging 10 minute charging is now possible for some cars.
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Lynwood - the US just does not have the infrastructure to supply that many EVs. Between shutting down aged out generation, there are just not enough gigawatts around on those aged out, under capacity power stations and distribution systems. Solar and wind wont make up the difference. With a solar panel being roughly 4-600 watts and a windmill being nominally less then 3 MW, there just isn't enough to replace those old fossil, nuclear or hydro power plants no matter what our inept government says.
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Dave W
2014 Montana High Country 343RL (Sold!)
2011 Ford 6.7 Lariat CCLB (Went to PU Heaven)
2019 F150SC XLT SE Sport,w/full tow package
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04-21-2023, 12:05 PM
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Established Member
Join Date: Sep 2021
Location: Mytown
Posts: 33
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The problem is not EV's it is battery tech, along with a host of political problems that are human creations and nothing to do with science and engineering. Pound for pound electric motors produce gobs more torque than combustion engines. So even today a Tesla Model S P100D puts out over 900ft/lbs of torque. So its not CAN an EV tow a heavy load, its how many miles can they tow it? The Batteries are the weak component.
So for the foreseeable future the diesel HD truck is the best tow vehicle. But that tow vehicle makes for a horrible daily driver for grocery and doctor appointments. There is not 1 vehicle that is best at all things.
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04-21-2023, 01:43 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2022
Location: Shingle Springs
Posts: 2,573
M.O.C. #30417
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And lets not forget charging our EV while boondocking. I mean I'm sure they'll install chargers in the redwoods!
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2022 Montana HC, 295RL, Solar Flex 400, Onan 3600 LPG, 2K inverter, 200AH Lithium. 2020 GMC Denali 2500 6.6 Duramax, Demco 21K Auto Slide
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04-21-2023, 01:52 PM
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#38
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,663
M.O.C. #2283
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Chevy just today announced the Chinese would be supplying sodium ion batteries for their EVs. Cost is 50% Lion. Things are moving along.
Lynwood
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04-21-2023, 06:45 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Oro Valley
Posts: 4,081
M.O.C. #20477
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Its exciting to watch technology progress.
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2018 3160RL
"Life is too short to stay indoors, enjoy the ride!"
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04-21-2023, 07:00 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,663
M.O.C. #2283
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AZ Traveler
Its exciting to watch technology progress.
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Yes it is. It’s hard to know where this will go but it will be fun to watch.
I’ve thought about an EV for my wife but it won’t take us to Bath Co Va and get us home. When we over there camping we take her car to ride around in and there aren’t any charging stations and won’t be for the foreseeable future, just not enough people.
Lynwood
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