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Old 11-01-2004, 03:38 PM   #1
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Log In Requirement

Why the sudden need for an "exclusive" forum? I was wondering what prompted the security measures? Al Queda?

I was kinda surprised to see this. I know many other forums have "members only" areas but these are generally pay forums and contain some info that the powers that be of those forums feel is privledged info.

Just wondering,

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Old 11-01-2004, 04:10 PM   #2
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We were sad to see this development as well, as Al likes to read the forum while I am in research libraries. He never signed in, just went to the site and read to his hearts delight, not leaving behind any passwords, etc on a public computer.

Also felt it was a great "sales" point to our forum, that visitors could read, study and then decide if they wanted to become a member of our fine group!

Must be a good reason tho, cause as testified in many posts, the admins seem to be doing a great job here at MOC.
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Old 11-02-2004, 06:08 AM   #3
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I would like to see an "official" answer just to quiet any possible rumors.

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Old 11-02-2004, 08:50 AM   #4
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I myself like it because I hate to know that people are out there "lurking" and not participating. We already have that with a lot of the members but at least they are members.
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Old 11-02-2004, 10:04 AM   #5
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We are seeing a sudden increase in the number of new members each day. I'm thinking that's at least partially due to those who used to read without becoming members now having to become members to read. At least that makes me think they like the forum. I wonder how many members we're up to now?
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Old 11-02-2004, 12:01 PM   #6
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Melissa, I know what You mean by "Lurking" but many times once a question has been answered there is really no need to say the same thing again and again. I know many like to add their 2 cents but often the same thingis said post after post and it almost seems like people are typing just to get a post. Maybe they are trying to catch up to the number of steve's posts

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Old 11-02-2004, 01:45 PM   #7
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For all those "inquiring minds" that just have to know...... And to "quiet" any rumors. I'm not sure what that statement is referencing... The primary reason for the "log in" change is a bookkeeping thing. Perhaps the poster wouldn't mind sharing and clarifying the "rumor" reference.

Actually it is a way to prevent inactive members from clogging up the data base. For your information we have trimmed about 200 or so inactive members from our rolls. We still have approximately 600 to 800 more that we are working through. By requiring a member to "log in" we will cut down greatly on the inactive members. This will show a much more representative member count and a more manageable data base to deal with.

We do not feel that requiring a log in is asking too much of a member. Many boards have such a requirement.

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Old 11-02-2004, 02:21 PM   #8
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quote:Many boards have such a requirement.
I beg to differ. I frequent about 35 different RVing and Fishing forums/message boards. Some of which I am an active or semi-active contributer and don't mind logging in. But there are many where I just like to browse (lurk?) through the messages and not one of those message boards requires me to log in just to read the threads that interest me.

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quote:I myself like it because I hate to know that people are out there "lurking" and not participating.
Logging in does not stop the lurking.
Logging in does not require someone to participate.

Logging in will not make an inactive person active and therefore the inactive active will now clog the data base.
In my opinion logging in accomplishes nothing but that is just my opinion.
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Old 11-02-2004, 02:40 PM   #9
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Well, I am gonna go out on the limb here,

What leaves a bad taste in my mouth about logging on just to read, is that it could leave the impression that we have something to hide, or even worse yet, it would appear that we are elitist. We all know that both of these are not representative of our membership at all!

I tend to agree with Glenn, if we make em sign on to just read, they will sign on, take an ID, read, and then if they are not interested, just disappear. We could end up with as many or more "missing in action" members than we have now.

Now, how bout some sun this week here in Michigan, we need to get that 3295RK winterized (oh, what a horrid thought, winter!)

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Old 11-02-2004, 03:09 PM   #10
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No rumors yet but probably coming. Just wanted an answer in case it comes up in other sections.

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Old 11-02-2004, 03:46 PM   #11
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Thanks John,
Keep us informed. We're simply trying to make this forum the best.

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Old 11-02-2004, 06:01 PM   #12
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---- Quote ----
"What leaves a bad taste in my mouth about logging on just to read, is that it could leave the impression that we have something to hide, or even worse yet, it would appear that we are elitist. We all know that both of these are not representative of our membership at all!"
---- End Quote ----

Something to hide?! Elitist?! Wow! That really seems to be jumping to conclusions.

Look folks... no one is forcing anyone to do anything they don't want to do. If it is too much trouble for you to log on to read what your fellow MOCers have written and want to share; then you don't have to do so.

We are just trying to administer the forum. We will try whatever it takes to make the forum continue to be one of the best of its kind. If something does not work then we will take that into consideration and try to fix it. We are trying to fix a problem that you would not normally even be aware of.

You asked what the reasoning was and we told you. It could be that this fix will not work. If it doesn't we'll change it.

Thank you for your concern.

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Old 11-03-2004, 01:05 AM   #13
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RVWheels - Well said! Many forget or don't realize there is a behind the scene administration which focuses on the management/control, user access, capacity and performance factors pertinent to this site. Your knowledge, operational requirements and technical performance has kept this site efficient and responsive to the user community. The user base needs to understand - as a system grows there is a need to tune, adjust and implement change to effectively manage and maintain the system. Please understand, we do appreciate the fine work that has kept this site so responsive and functional. Thank you for all your behind the scene efforts.

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Old 11-03-2004, 03:06 AM   #14
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RVWHeels,

Not too much trouble to sign on, and not jumping to conclusions, exercising my voice and my opinion. Personally I sign on every time, but Al did not, his choice, now not a choice. I also believe in freedom of the press??

No, I have no idea of what it takes to administer this forum, except that I do know it has to take a HUGE chunk out of the admins lives and time. I admire anyone who goes over the limit for something they love!

Ya know, we have said here on the forum a number of times, not everyone will like the changes the admins deem necessary. OK, so, this is one of those times I don't like the changes. Obviously you feel differently, and are not afraid to say so. I'm not either, I don't care for "closed" forums.

Now, I am gonna go format about 10 books for the local genealogy club, which is one of my volunteer jobs that I am dedicated to and give hundreds of hours a year to. So, you see, I understand your "love" of the forum, cause I have a "love" of my own.

I appreciate the opportunity to have my say, and express my concern over this recent change, thank you for listening.

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Old 11-03-2004, 03:23 AM   #15
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"Look folks... no one is forcing anyone to do anything they don't want to do. If it is too much trouble for you to log on to read what your fellow MOCers have written and want to share; then you don't have to do so."

Speaking of leaving a bad taste..... Surely this is an over reaction. Why don't we all calm down and realize we are all on the same side, and especially that we appreciate those who work so hard to make this the great forum it is.

To voice a difference of view is not inconsistent with such appreciation. Let's keep open to each other.
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Old 11-03-2004, 03:29 AM   #16
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Now, just to express one of those differences. I do not mind logging in, now that I am a member. In fact, it is no trouble at all. I like it. BUT... I must say that I probably would never have become a member if I had not been able to visit the forum and read some of the very interesting and helpful topics, and begin to get acquainted with some of the fine folks who are regular contributors. That gave me the opportunity I needed to decide that I wanted to become a member. It is this aspect of the change that I am concerned about. It is OK with me now, but it would have made a big difference to me BEFORE I joined.

Thanks for listening to another point of view. And I recognize that there may be far more important issues than the one I have expressed that require the new policy.
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Old 11-03-2004, 03:30 AM   #17
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This is odd. I do not have to log on. Nothing for me has changed.
Now saying this, I will probably be required to log on the next time I visit.

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Old 11-03-2004, 03:42 AM   #18
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Carol, did you logout the last time you were on the forum? If not, then you are still logged in the next time you bring up the MOC.
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Old 11-03-2004, 03:59 AM   #19
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Gee! I am here so much I never log out.
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Old 11-03-2004, 04:51 AM   #20
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I agree with prairiepoodle, I never log out either. LOL I love this forum and am more than happy to see it is closed so we can be more open with those people we consider friends and not have to worry about someone sitting out there watching what you are doing and then trying to target you. There are too many bad people in the world (not that a member couldn't be) but it just makes me feel better. Just my opinion.
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