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Old 08-13-2014, 11:12 AM   #1
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Dual Pane Windows

Got a question about Dual Pane Windows. Do the frameless windows come in dual pane as an option? If so about what does the option cost? Joe
 
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Old 08-13-2014, 11:45 AM   #2
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We have the dual pane windows in our Montana High Country. The invoice Had $1000.00 on it.
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Old 08-13-2014, 12:56 PM   #3
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just bought a 2015 and wanted dual pane but they wanted 1500.00 for them they said no problem ordering one with them BUT they said with the new frameless they help very little in keeping heat in (OR cold OUT) they are not gas filled like the ones you have at home BUT they do help with noise quite a bit and they add a lot of weight ,in the end I said NAHHHHH too much money and weight for the little benefit for me
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Old 08-13-2014, 02:34 PM   #4
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When we were ordering our new rig we opted not to not spend the $1500. Being in the glass business for the last 35 year I knew the minimal airspace on these windows does little for insulation, noise yes but pretty pricey noise mitigation.

For good insulating you need minimum 1/2" airspace and these windows are less than 3/8".

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Old 08-13-2014, 05:00 PM   #5
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waste of money in my opinion.
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Old 08-13-2014, 06:58 PM   #6
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Interestingly enough some on the MOC wouldn't own a fiver W/O level up ... at @$5000 and a few hundred pounds. I'd pass on level up, but not on dual panes. Although mine are NOT frameless ... they do help some as to heat transfer on hot summer days, don't sweat as much on winter jaunts. What is pricess to me is the 90% elimination of campground noise. I'll never own another fiver without dual pane glass.
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Old 08-14-2014, 01:48 AM   #7
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Our first rig had single pane windows. The last two have had double pane windows and the difference is noticeable, both in insulation value and noise reduction. We would not have a rig without them (nor the Level-up since we are now spoiled!)
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Old 08-14-2014, 02:23 AM   #8
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Interestingly enough BOTH level up and dual pane windows are now a must for us. This is the third unit for us after not having dual pane windows and the noise and moisture levels are noticeably less. The difference to us between level up and non level up is priceless!
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Old 08-14-2014, 02:39 AM   #9
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We're the same. A new rig would have to have both.
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Old 08-14-2014, 04:16 AM   #10
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quote:Originally posted by Bigboomer

When we were ordering our new rig we opted not to not spend the $1500. Being in the glass business for the last 35 year I knew the minimal airspace on these windows does little for insulation, noise yes but pretty pricey noise mitigation.

For good insulating you need minimum 1/2" airspace and these windows are less than 3/8".

To make "dual pane" worth while they would have to be a sealed unit filled with gas, which would cost a lot more than $1,000 or $1,500 extra. The RV version of dual pane is just like putting an extremely old fashion cheap storm window on your RV. When you really look at what the R value is for the rest of the coach you might as well have single glass in the windows.
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Old 08-14-2014, 09:29 AM   #11
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The other problem with these "insulated" windows is that they are not thermally broken. The transfer of cold/ heat into the interior via the aluminum frame is still there. They will still sweat like a single pain in extreme cold.

The past two winters we apply the shrink plastic to the window frames on the interior and it has worked great. Cuts the drafts and cold air infiltration.

We do love the frameless exterior look of the new windows, though.

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Old 08-14-2014, 09:50 AM   #12
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I have, and wanted, both - Level Up and dual pane windows.
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Old 08-14-2014, 10:02 AM   #13
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I have been one who has been against dual pane windows on my last three rigs. The current one has dual pane and the difference is very noticeable to me - for both sound and heat/cold transfer. When the time comes for a new coach, dual pane will be a must have for me.
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Old 08-14-2014, 12:12 PM   #14
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I have the stock aluminum frames and this is my two cents worth on duel, frameless, or aluminum frames. most of the heat and cold is transferred through the aluminum frame into the RV far more than what goes through the glass on Duel pane or single pane, I can sit next to my windows on a hot day and the heat that comes through the aluminum is staggering I can hold my hand on the glass and leave it there but that wont happen to the aluminum frame you will draw a blister if held on there too long, the same with cold except no blister just frost bite. HA.
I believe that the new frameless windows should work better in cold or heat, being there is no heat transfer through the aluminum frame not all will be stopped but a very big percentage will be.
spending extra money for duel pane windows in my book is a waist of money.
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Our first rig was a Jayco with single pane windows. During the one winter we spent in it we had frost on the inside for most of the winter. We finally put shrink plastic to help keep the moisture from running down into the walls. We got our 08 Big Sky in Oct of 07 band have never had frost on our windows since. We ordered it with double pane and they may sweat sometimes but have never frosted. Also they are much quieter. IF we get another rig we WILL have double pane again. We have had this rig in temps down to 5 below zero...
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Old 08-15-2014, 03:21 AM   #16
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We camp in below freezing temps into late November here in Michigan. We have had single panes on our old coach, did the plastic pain in the a** thing. I wasn't happy to put it up or with the results we got from it. DW wasn't happy because she couldn't clean the windows and tracks with it up. We ordered Hannah with dual panes and what a difference. Well worth the money in my opinion. As for level up, once you've used it, you wonder what you'd do without it!

The price point our Montana's are at, IMO the price of dual panes is like splitting hairs.
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Old 08-16-2014, 03:16 AM   #17
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[quote]Originally posted by Bigboomer

When we were ordering our new rig we opted not to not spend the $1500. Being in the glass business for the last 35 year I knew the minimal airspace on these windows does little for insulation, noise yes but pretty pricey noise mitigation.

For good insulating you need minimum 1/2" airspace and these windows are less than 3/8".


Great explanation form someone in the Business and I agree 100%. I have asked folks in his business and they call Rv Dual pane windows a joke. However your money, your choice . We never are in extremely hot or cold weather so saw no need for them and noise has never been a problem for us. There is a slight noise factor but not 1500.00 worth.
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Old 08-16-2014, 10:27 AM   #18
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I said I'd never buy another unit without them but alas, here I sit in another unit without them. There are times I wish I had them, parked near a freeway, Friday night at the beach (party noise) and when it's 100+ outside but I opted to go single pane to save the weight. Less weight in the windows = more capacity for clothes therefor happier wife! In the last 365 days i've probably missed them 20 days. So, wasn't too bad a choice for me. Plus I'd have had to special order and end up with the frameless windows (year end model switch) which I really didn't want.
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