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Old 03-01-2013, 09:36 AM   #1
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Red light violations in Goodyear $550.00 +

A camp worker here went into an intersection on Yellow, her rear tire crossed the line at the other side when the light turned Red, she got a $196.00 ticket (Red light camera) and then had to go to a day-long 'Traffic survival school' at her expense.
The total cost to her was $550.00.
If she hadn't had her correct registration with her, it wold have been another ticket of $591.00.
Welcome to Goodyear....

BTW, I called the Arizona Highway Patrol and asked about my ticket for no rear plate. The officer said "That is ridiculous!"
He said go to court and the Judge will dismiss the ticket.
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Old 03-01-2013, 09:50 AM   #2
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Starting to sound like it is a pretty good year in Goodyear. In terms of revenue for the town anyway!
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Old 03-01-2013, 10:31 AM   #3
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Lots of people fail to understand that a yellow light does not mean "hurry up because the light's going to turn red". It means the red light is coming, so prepare to stop. The rest of the charges and the school are crap, but in reality, the ticket itself is justified.
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Old 03-01-2013, 10:41 AM   #4
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I agree with Tom, I do like the way the lights are in Canada, there is a amber light about 1/4 mile from the light and when that starts to flash you better start braking regardless how fast you are going, because it will be red when you reach the intersection. they need those warning devices in the U.S.
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Old 03-01-2013, 11:07 AM   #5
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Sounds like Goodyear has the wrath of Ozz on high alert. Having lived in Albuquerque for 11 years, there, if you even think about stopping on yellow, sooner that later you will get rear ended.
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Old 03-01-2013, 11:42 AM   #6
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There are areas that have seen an increase in Rear end collisions because of the Red Light cameras. Some don't want to get a ticket, so they hit the brakes when the light starts to change, but those behind don't always stop or are too close.
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Old 03-01-2013, 12:07 PM   #7
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Is that the Goodyear where Marathon tires are made?
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Old 03-01-2013, 12:30 PM   #8
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Is that the Goodyear where Marathon tires are made?

You are a Hoot!
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Old 03-01-2013, 12:44 PM   #9
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Lots of people fail to understand that a yellow light does not mean "hurry up because the light's going to turn red". It means the red light is coming, so prepare to stop. The rest of the charges and the school are crap, but in reality, the ticket itself is justified.
Actually, she was held back by cars in front of her moving slowly. (already in the intersection)
I know what you mean Tom about people zooming through an intersection, but in this case, she was in traffic.
The 'Robots' don't take this into consideration.
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Old 03-01-2013, 12:49 PM   #10
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Also, if the pedestrian lamps were all changed to timers, indicating the number of seconds left, it would be a help. Here in Florida, there is a mix and when there isn't a timer, I always wonder if I'm gonna make it or not.
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Old 03-01-2013, 12:53 PM   #11
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The traffic light cameras were just removed from Red Bank, TN because they were bad for the small businesses. Buyers were taking their business elsewhere.
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Old 03-01-2013, 02:19 PM   #12
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The George Orwell book 1984 pointed out what we are now beginning to experience. As I remember reading the characters were out in a rural area and they had to be very careful when talking privately so as not to be overheard by big brother. These cameras are handy tools for the big fish in small communities. I wonder how the audit process works since it would be so easy to not mail a ticket to certain locals or the powerful.
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Old 03-01-2013, 03:23 PM   #13
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I go to Mexicalli, Mexico, every year and the green light starts to flash and the yellow only last seconds, don't even think about going through under a yellow.
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Old 03-01-2013, 04:03 PM   #14
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We used to stop in Goodyear for a number of reasons last year. If I'm out that way in the future I'll just stay on the interstate. Neither the cops or the merchants are going to get anymore of my money.
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Old 03-01-2013, 04:37 PM   #15
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Don't want to start an argument here, but after retiring from the Wichita Police Dept. and then retiring a second time from the Missouri Safety Center, the State's center for training in all things related to Highway Safety, the standard for running a red light, according to US Dept. of Transportation/Federal Highway Administration is that running a red light is entering an intersection on "Red". There are some qualifiers;

•Question: What is red-light Running?
•Answer: Depends on the definition of what a yellow light means.
•The permissive yellow rule is that stated in the MUTCD and Uniform Vehicle Code (UVC).
•37 states + DC have laws in substantial conformity with the meaning of the yellow and red indications in the MUTCD and UVC. Another 9 states require motorists to stop on yellow but also drive cautiously through the intersection on the red if too close to stop safely.
•The definition of a violation for permissive yellow is not technically correct depending how the term "intersection" is defined. According to the MUTCD and UVC, a violation occurs if the motorists crosses the stop line after onset of the red, or if none, the crosswalk, or if none the intersection.
•Four states—LA, TN, RI, WV—prohibit vehicles from crossing the intersection on red. The laws in these four states are not in conformity with the meaning of the yellow and red indications specified in the MUTCD.

MUTCD=Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices

So 4 states disregard the federal definition of Run Red Light and have come up with their own. AZ is not one of those states.

Here in KC there was a big flap because the Red Light Camera at one intersection was sending out several hundred tickets a day. Turns out they were taking pictures of cars turning right on red after a stop and traffic clears which is legal in MO and Kansas City. I am not saying people don't gun it to beat the red light, see it all the time here, but just because someone is caught in the intersection means they deserve a ticket is a little harsh in my opinion. This comes from one who dedicated their entire adult life combating human stupidity.
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Old 03-01-2013, 06:01 PM   #16
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First ticket I ever got here in Texas when I was 16 was running a yellow light......course dropping a gear and hammering my 66 Chevelle thru it didn't help my case lol lol....
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Old 03-01-2013, 10:48 PM   #17
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We don’t have any cameras in our area but one should be very careful of when a light changes anyway. Not because of getting a ticket but because of stragglers. I don’t know how it is in others areas but once the light changes there are usually a string a cars that will tag along behind others after the light changes to red. I’ve noticed this problem more and more especially when traffic is heavier. I’ve seen as many as 2-3 cars blatantly continue through the lights when you know there was adequate time to stop. Although I don’t want to see them around, maybe our area needs the cameras to keep people in check!
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Old 03-02-2013, 04:04 AM   #18
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When I am stopped at a red light waiting for the green...when it turns green, I treat it as if I'm at a stop sign. Look both ways and proceed with caution...way too many people run through lights, late.
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Don't want to start an argument here, but after retiring from the Wichita Police Dept. and then retiring a second time from the Missouri Safety Center, the State's center for training in all things related to Highway Safety, the standard for running a red light, according to US Dept. of Transportation/Federal Highway Administration is that running a red light is entering an intersection on "Red". There are some qualifiers;

•Question: What is red-light Running?
•Answer: Depends on the definition of what a yellow light means.
•The permissive yellow rule is that stated in the MUTCD and Uniform Vehicle Code (UVC).
•37 states + DC have laws in substantial conformity with the meaning of the yellow and red indications in the MUTCD and UVC. Another 9 states require motorists to stop on yellow but also drive cautiously through the intersection on the red if too close to stop safely.
•The definition of a violation for permissive yellow is not technically correct depending how the term "intersection" is defined. According to the MUTCD and UVC, a violation occurs if the motorists crosses the stop line after onset of the red, or if none, the crosswalk, or if none the intersection.
•Four states—LA, TN, RI, WV—prohibit vehicles from crossing the intersection on red. The laws in these four states are not in conformity with the meaning of the yellow and red indications specified in the MUTCD.

MUTCD=Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices

So 4 states disregard the federal definition of Run Red Light and have come up with their own. AZ is not one of those states.

Here in KC there was a big flap because the Red Light Camera at one intersection was sending out several hundred tickets a day. Turns out they were taking pictures of cars turning right on red after a stop and traffic clears which is legal in MO and Kansas City. I am not saying people don't gun it to beat the red light, see it all the time here, but just because someone is caught in the intersection means they deserve a ticket is a little harsh in my opinion. This comes from one who dedicated their entire adult life combating human stupidity.
Based on Ozz's previous experience we already know how the city of Goodyear looks at earning revenue from motorists.
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In my opinion the cameras are not for safety, they are for revenue!!! If they wanted to prevent more accidents they would have sensors in the pavement that would not let the light change if there was a car that was too close to stop before the light changes!!! I realize that in heavy traffic the light would have to still have a timer but the interval from yellow to red could be programmed to take that into acct!!! The same goes for drunk driving, catch them make them pay but let them keep driving??? WTH I say walk your A - - wherever you need to go!!! Sorry if I offended anyone.
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