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Old 05-07-2007, 07:58 AM   #1
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3400RL Plumbing diagrams

Brad (Bsmeaton) has managed to get my curiosity aroused with regards to the plumbing layouts from another thread. Is there a source that could provide diagrams of the water systems (fresh and dirty) plumbing in the Montanas. Not a necessity I don't guess, but the knowledge would definitely be helpful.
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Old 05-07-2007, 09:30 AM   #2
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There is no diagram. You can figure it out through a lot of testing (filling, then dumping). And it changes all the time. On our early 2005 the washer goes to the gray tank, the bathroom sink to the black tank. Later 2005's changed and the bathroom sink goes to the gray and then in later years for a time, the washer went to the black. So it depends on your year and the time of year.
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Old 05-07-2007, 02:32 PM   #3
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What you are asking for, and what we do not have, is a decent owner's manual. Our plumbing is pretty straight forward...it all goes where it should...the washer goes directly to the sewer drain and not in a tank.
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Here ya go. I found a secret archive from Keystone's servers:

http://i17.tinypic.com/4tj2fix.jpg
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Old 05-07-2007, 02:56 PM   #5
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that's just wrong, may your campsite be infested with 1000 frogs or perhaps sea shrimp would be more appropriate.
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Old 05-07-2007, 03:19 PM   #6
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Michael--you are soooooooooooooo bad. LOL!!!!
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Old 05-07-2007, 03:26 PM   #7
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Michael -

That is interesting, as we were told that there were no wiring or plumbing diagrams available when touring the facility. Did you perhaps find access to some of the other "diagrams"? You have piqued my curiosity.
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Old 05-07-2007, 03:56 PM   #8
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One little comment about blonde and brunette tanks and see what happens!!! I guess I deserved that. LOL. I have now learned to trust the forum instead of the dealer's technician, can't fault them too much about the misinformation about the washer drain though. Particularly if different years were routed in different directions.
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Old 05-07-2007, 04:03 PM   #9
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Michael - some of mine IS plumbed that way !

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Old 05-07-2007, 04:28 PM   #10
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Okay, okay...I firewalked their routers and firewalls (almost got caught, but the MOC family is worth the risk!). I found the electrical diagram under a folder labeled "Simplified & Consistent":



And, while I was poking around, I found the data connection diagram under a folder labeled "Patent Pending". I know, I know, the risks taken were high and possible catastrophic, but felt that they were worth it...Phew! At one point, I told my wife: "Bonnie, put the car in reverse!".

Anyway, here is the data connection info:



I think I better stop for the night as I noticed some IP chasing on their end - they may have their IT guys on the intrusion!
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Old 05-07-2007, 04:58 PM   #11
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hahahahahaha - you've got me rolling on the floor Michael - love the data connection!

I did drop part of the belly down on our Monty, and was happy to see at least they labeled the plumbing:

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Old 05-07-2007, 05:22 PM   #12
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Bingo - in all seriousness, here's what I know on your 3400,

The tanks span the width of the trailer and run frame to frame. The forward tank is the gray water, next is black, then galley, and freshwater in the rear.

As you can see in the photo, (right being front) the sink and shower drain forward and drop into the gray tank. There is a vent stack through the roof behind the sink for the gray tank. There is also a vent valve for the tub drain located behind the center access plate on your tub.



The toilet drains straight down to the black tank. There is a vent stack through the roof in the wall between the bathroom and hall.

The W/D drains direct to the main sewer line. There is a vent stack through the roof in the wall between the W/D closet and the hall.

The kitchen sink drains into the galley tank in the space at the end of the kitchen counter. There is a vent stack through the roof in the wall behind that little cupboard above your counter. There is also a vent valve located behind the access panel at the end of your counter.

The vent valves allow air into the drain line to help displace the water as you drain the tanks. They just screw on to the end of the pipe.

Hope that helps



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Old 05-08-2007, 02:57 AM   #13
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Thanks Brad,
I am definitely more "in the know" now that I was, but I don't know if this may eventually be one of those situations where I may now know enough to be dangerous at some later time. Regardless, again the value of this forum is immense from an education standpoint.
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