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Old 12-07-2011, 08:52 AM   #21
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The new F150 3.5 Ecoboost has 365 HP, 420 pound feet of TK at 2500 RPMs and is rated to pull 11000 pounds with a payload of 3100 pounds. It has trailer sway control to keep every thing nice and straight without any sway.
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This is probably the most misleading peice of manufacture propaganda. Dont think that youll be able to throw a ton and a half of goodies in the back of that F-150 and drive around like its all mai-tais and sunshine. I suggest some light reading...

https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/...12_default.asp

Read page 12.

 
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Old 12-07-2011, 01:22 PM   #22
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Page 12 is about slide in campers. Even then payload exceeds 2600 pounds. You will need this package:
F-150 Heavy-Duty Payload Package
(Option Code 627)
Increases GVWR to 8,200 pounds.
• LT245/75R17E BSW A/T tires (5)
• High-capacity 17" 7-lug steel wheels (XL)
• High-capacity 17" 7-lug aluminum wheels
(XLT/Lariat)
• Heavy-duty shock absorbers
• Upgraded springs, radiator and auxiliary
transmission oil cooler
• 9.75" gear set with 3.73 limited slip axle

Note the E rated tires up graded shocks and springs, heavy duty rear end and 8200 pound GVWR.
If we can believe what the manufactures say about our HD trucks we can believe what they say about their little brothers. Would I take off on a 5000 mile trip with a F150 pulling 11000 pounds? Ain't no way. Will the truck do it? Ford says it will. The 3.5 Ecoboost is more than up for the task. Go drive one. I would not have believed what this engine would do till I drove one. It is the nicest engine that I have ever driven in a pickup.
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Old 12-07-2011, 04:05 PM   #23
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Fords towing limits for trucks are based on a frontal area of 60 sq. ft. To Quote them;
Exceeding
these limitations may
significantly reduce the
performance of your
towing vehicle.

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Old 12-08-2011, 05:57 AM   #24
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Dislcaimer....Now to everyone reading this. Do the math and read the entire post before getting mad and repling. Alot of people get waaaayyyy to cranked up over this stuff.

MLH, I dont doubt and didnt doubt the numbers at all for any of our trucks. I would say between the towing guide and the link givin below, ford probably does the best job, that I have found of all the manufactures of providing information to the consumer on what our trucks can do and cannot do. Dont get mad GM and Dodge fans. Those are my findings and my opinion.

And Yes once again, I will refer back to page 12 of the towing guide, it is about slide in campers. The max amount of weight you can put in the bed of the truck. That is the easiest way to see what the truck can actually carry. Suprisingly ford is the only manufacture that has a slide in camper jig/test frame that tests for this. So I would say that number is pretty accurate. You also have to understand that 3060 payload is for only 1 truck not all the f-150s have that.

Here... lets all figure this out.. time to go to work!

You have to understand the definition of payload. Not talking down to anyone, but ALOT of people get confused by payload, curb weight, cargo, Max payload, Net payload, all of the gcwr's...

Payload is every single thing the truck is carrying, Passengers, Fuel, Oil, Optional equipment, everthing that the truck can possibly carry so those tires, shocks, skid plates all are considered payload...not cargo.

IN a nut shell, curb weight+passengers+options - GVWR = cargo

This is why the regular cab can have more cargo. They put thier HD package on it to boost the gvwr then state the F-150 has a payload of over 3000 pounds. While true, its very misleading as the normal Joe will see those numbers and will go buy a normal extened cab f-150 4x4 thinking it will do the job of an F-450. Put 3000 pounds in the back of it, have its rear bumper draging on the ground and cant understand why, then hits the brakes and rearends the guy in front of him.

Looking at the real numbers, only that one truck, the regular cab, 2wd truck with the HD package on it will haul that kind of weight, still going by the camper slide in chart of 2667 pounds. Why 2667... Below we will use the basic formula from above...

The max gvwr is...............................8200
F-150 2wd with HD curb weight is........5083
subtract the two and the payload is......3117
Ford figures 150 per passender x 2.......300
so now we deduct 300.....................2817
suprisingly the options weigh.............150
So the total is...............................2667

And the slide in camper rating on page 12 of the tow guide is 2667!

There it is in the numbers. Ripleys.. believe it ...or not!

This page is an awesome source of information for those looking to further understand all of this.

https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas...012/specs.html

It has all the specs for all of the trucks and a nifty little "Truck Payload Workbook" too.

So, once again thats why I point you to page 12 of the broucher. That is the quickest way to look at what the truck can actually carry in the bed of the truck, and thats why I still stand by my statement of mileading propaganda marketing.

When I bought my dually a cool little sheet of paper came with it, with all those numbers crunched out just for my truck for the slide in camper/cargo capacity. Only 3800 pounds! Darn!!! What happened to the 7100 pound payload capacity I was should be seeing!!!! Imagine my suprise! I then sat down and figured it all out. Its a crying shame we dont have f-750 cargo capacities of a dumptruck!

So, Misleading Yes it is, untill you sit and crunch the numbers.

Oh... and that ford engine is awesome...never said it wasnt. They are finally doing what Ive been saying for years. Power of a V-8 in a V-6 with alot less weight and better fuel milage!

I hope this post helps someone I never meet and saves a life.

Just for reference
Link to the 2012 towing guide.
https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/...12_default.asp


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Page 12 is about slide in campers. Even then payload exceeds 2600 pounds. You will need this package:
F-150 Heavy-Duty Payload Package
(Option Code 627)
Increases GVWR to 8,200 pounds.
• LT245/75R17E BSW A/T tires (5)
• High-capacity 17" 7-lug steel wheels (XL)
• High-capacity 17" 7-lug aluminum wheels
(XLT/Lariat)
• Heavy-duty shock absorbers
• Upgraded springs, radiator and auxiliary
transmission oil cooler
• 9.75" gear set with 3.73 limited slip axle

Note the E rated tires up graded shocks and springs, heavy duty rear end and 8200 pound GVWR.
If we can believe what the manufactures say about our HD trucks we can believe what they say about their little brothers. Would I take off on a 5000 mile trip with a F150 pulling 11000 pounds? Ain't no way. Will the truck do it? Ford says it will. The 3.5 Ecoboost is more than up for the task. Go drive one. I would not have believed what this engine would do till I drove one. It is the nicest engine that I have ever driven in a pickup.
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Old 12-08-2011, 01:05 PM   #25
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Ren my friend we are on the same page, this is a fabulous truck. If you have a mid weight camper why bother with a diesel? I saw a test on this engine, 160000 mile , I think, torture test, simulated, then they pulled 8000 pound logs with it all day pulled the engine put it in another truck and ran the Baja 1000, put it back in the truck took it to a race track and pulled a trailer with 2 race cars on it for 1000 miles and averaged over 100 MPH. Then they took it to the Detroit auto show where the engine was disassembled and inspected. Every part still met new part tolerances. Thats when I went to drive one. Just hasn't got enough power I'm used to 580 HP and close to 1200 pound feet of TK. Just kidding, But it would have enough for around town.
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Lets see how it preforms pulling 10000 lbs up a 8-10% grade for 7-10 miles.
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Old 12-08-2011, 02:14 PM   #27
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Better yet, lets see if it can stop it coming down the other side of that grade!
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Old 12-08-2011, 05:04 PM   #28
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The point I was trying to make is that a 5th wheel at 14,400 pounds GWR is too heavy for an F150, regardless of its improvisations.

We pull a heavy Big Sky and sometimes wish we had a MDT!

Perhaps the engine produces enough horsepower to pull it. But, do the brakes stop it? And, does the frame stay within specs?

Sorry, but this is just foolish and dangerous!

I spoke with Paul for over an hour trying to convince him that he should not tow with his F150. His responses were in the cloud. He just didn't understand, nor could he comprehend, the risks involved.
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Old 12-09-2011, 01:29 AM   #29
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For some that did not read my extremely long dissertation above.....Let me be even more clearer than my extremely lengthy post above. Whew..

Ford basically put F-250 running gear under ONE MODEL of F-150, a 2wd regular cab, to claim a 3060 payload. When people dont know what payload is, and its not cargo capacity. It confuses people into thinking all F-150s are rated for that...WHEN THEY ARE NOT. So when ford runs a commercial they can claim all kinds of good numbers for thier F-150.

Its a dangerous combo of marketing hype / people not doing homework. Like I have alread said bunches of times.. Its a misleading marketing practice and all manufactures do it. It is up to us the consumer to filter it all before buying.

Is the F-150 a nice truck.? Absolutely! Does it have a nice engine? Absolutely!

Would I trade my F-350 for it for pulling the Monty?..Not a snowballs chance.


mlh... I dont think you will be used to anything now that you know the power of the spartan tuner! God bless those guys!


snfexpress...I understand exactly where your coming from. I had a run in with a guy many moons ago telling my Dad and I how his Ford Ranger had a better towing capacity than a 2500 series Chevy. He was pulling a 25 foot 5ver, with his bumper dragging the ground. Dad and I laughed and just walked away.

You can lead the horse, show the horse, show the horse facts, turn blue in the face.... and yet... the horse will still be a horse. Go figure....
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Would I trade my F-350 for it for pulling the Monty?..Not a snowballs chance.
Agree 200%

mlh... I dont think you will be used to anything now that you know the power of the spartan tuner! God bless those guys!
Ren you got that right. After all of that power you just can't go back.

I NOT saying anybody should pull a 14000 pound camper with a F150, but you can pull a 11000 pound camper with a properly equipped F150 and do it safely. It has the suspension, brakes engine, transmission and frame to do the job. Ford knows what their vehicles are capable of. I'm not a big Ford fan. They just had the truck I liked best when I bought mine. Next time who knows.
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OK, I have a new twist, don't know how Ford or Dodge rates theirs King Pin weight Max, but here is some info from the 2011 GM Manual, doesn't care if it's Std Cab, Ext Cab, Crew Cab, 2 WD or 4 WD, my guess would be that some of the old TV are probably less:

Vehicle Series Hitch Type Maximum Tongue Weight
1500 Fifth-Wheel Gooseneck 680 kg (1,500 lbs)
2500HD Fifth-Wheel Gooseneck 1134 kg (2,500 lbs)
3500 SRW Fifth-Wheel Gooseneck 1360 kg (3,000 lbs)
3500 DRW Fifth-Wheel Gooseneck 1587 kg (3,500 lbs)
So without getting into Cargo or anything else, if your King Pin is over 2500 Lbs the 2500 is out, over 3000 Lbs the SRW 3500 is out, over 3500 Lbs the DRW 3500 is out, very simple and in Black and White
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Y'all are making this WAY too complicated. See a truck you like...just look at the Tire and Loading Information sticker on the left side of the frame. It will give you the cargo capacity for THAT particular truck to the nearest one pound.
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