GM Duramax Price increase Jan 1 07 - Montana Owners Club

pgurrisi · 10-17-2006, 04:41 PM

I was getting a LOF today at the chevy dealer and was talking to the service manager. He told me that there was going to be a $4000 price increase on the GM Duramax option as of January 1 2007. According to him it was due to the change in emmisions standards starting january 1. He thought the cost was due to taxes and cost of equipment to meet the standards, but was not sure.

I assumed it was due to federal emmision standards and did not ask if it was related to region or state. I doubt it is, but anything is possible.

That would make it nearly 12K for the Duramax Allison combo.

Has anyone else heard this?

If it is true, I would assume Ford and Dodge would have price increases as well.

Maybe a new tow vehicle is in the very near future for some of you????

Paul

Montana Sky · 10-17-2006, 04:48 PM

I heard the increase was going to be around $1800-2000 for the new EPA regulated Duramax. Going to be keeping my Duramax for another year or two for sure, if not longer. Already has 65,8_ _ miles on it, in 2 or 3 years from now I should be in the ball park of 120,000 - 180,000 miles. I just hope it will last that long since the new fuel does not lubricate the motor properly....

txkrumm · 10-17-2006, 05:26 PM

Dave,
With a duramax, Steve says it will just "be getting broken in". He's seen em with over 200,000. Plus, you take such good care of it and that makes a big difference!
t

Montana Sky · 10-17-2006, 07:20 PM

Tara,
That is music to my ears!! I have noticed since I got home from Goshen, my fuel mileage (empty) has really increased. Getting a pretty constant 21mpg at 75mph. Used to be around 18/19 at that speed, I am sure not going to complain. =) I would love to see 375,000 miles on this truck. That is my goal..... =)

OntMont · 10-18-2006, 02:48 AM

That is why some of us bought the O7 Silverado Classic version while it was still available.

rrheik · 10-18-2006, 04:45 AM

Give Dave Smith Dodge?GMC/Chevrolet a call i Kellogg, Idaho. They charge $200 above factry price. $50 for dealership, $150 for the salesperson. They sell just about all of their vehicles over the phone. Will giveyou a quote, no pressure, no haggling. I was there 2 months ago, and a fully loaded 07 Chev 3500 dually, duramax was $38,500. Don't know what the Jan '07 will be, but they wil be moe than happy to tell you.

bob

Mudchief · 10-18-2006, 06:30 AM

Montana Sky, That engine won't get broke in until about 150K.

Steve and Brenda · 10-18-2006, 06:44 AM

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quote:Originally posted by Montana Sky

I just hope it will last that long since the new fuel does not lubricate the motor properly....

I was under the impression that lubricity was not going to be a problem with the ULSD. Newer Diesel engines might suffer from a minute loss of power but that there were additives to compensate for the drop in sulfur lubricity from 500 PPM to 15 PPM.

Montana Sky · 10-18-2006, 10:51 AM

Bob,
I can 2nd your comments on Dave Smith. Between myself and the rest of my family we have bought 8 vehicles from them (all GM of course). I have a few good friends who work there. I noticed your profile said you are from Texas. Did you come all the way up here to do business with Dave Smith?? It is such a great place to do business!!

Dennis,
I hope your right, my average annual mileage seems to be around 34,000 miles a year. At that rate the truck will hardly be 5 years old when I hit 150,000 miles. =)

Steve,
I was under the same impression until I heard that GM has a bulletin out about adding an additive to the new ULSD (15ppm) fuel. I checked with my dealership and they confirmed the bulletin. I am waiting for a copy of the bulletin to be sent to me.

Glenn and Lorraine · 10-18-2006, 02:39 PM

Well I have heard that the diesel fuel we currently use will be on the market for many many years to come. Just think about all the current day diesels from our GMC/Chevys, Fords, Dodges, and all the MDTs and BIG rigs, busses, luxury yachts that will still be requiring the old stuff and I didn't even touch on the automobiles from VWs to the Mercedes and other luxury cars on the road. They are saying it will be just like buying regular and hi-test gasoline only it will be regular or ULSD diesel.

Montana Sky · 10-18-2006, 03:19 PM

Glenn,
I wish/hope you are right. Talking with 2 different fuel stations here in town, as of Jan 1, 2007 I am not going to have an option at their station. They will only offer the new ULSD fuel. It wont be that big of a problem for me as I go over to Idaho and get my fuel from the Flying J over there. As long as I have a choice in fuel, I will always pick the LSD (500ppm) fuel.

sreigle · 10-19-2006, 03:50 AM

Dave, please post about that bulletin when you get the info. I have no doubt the same situation will apply to all the diesels, not just the GM.

One thing I noticed on our recent trip is that when towing and I pull up to a pump and all they have is ULSD, I'm not likely to tow the house from station to station trying to find LSD. I went ahead and used the ULSD even though I'm not very comfortable about doing just yet. So I need to figure out whether I need to be carrying some lubricity additive for those situations. By the way I didn't notice any difference towing but I had only about 5/8 tank of ULSD mixed with 3/8 LSD.

skypilot · 10-19-2006, 03:54 AM

Our 3 local diesel dealers have all come out (in a newspaper article 2 weeks ago) stating that they are starting to see the 15ppm fuel delivered as they 'taper' their tanks (???) and go to winter blend; will only have one grade of diesel. Also saw a 10 cent increase in price at all three yesterday; now $2.659 a gallon here in Manhattan KS (at least at 2 stations, didn't get around to see the 3rd one yet).

richfaa · 10-19-2006, 04:04 AM

We have ben using the ULSD here in Northern Ohio since June 1st. Since we do not run our tanks dry it will take about 3 fills before you can get a good MPG comparison and since our driving habits and conditions are not consistent it will be a few weeks before a average MPG can be determined.As I have stated before we have noted as per our fuel logs , a 2 MPg decrease in the various diesel buses we drive.IMO none of the new fuels will give us better MPG..time will tell.

Steve and Brenda · 10-19-2006, 05:26 AM

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quote:Originally posted by Glenn and Lorraine

They are saying it will be just like buying regular and hi-test gasoline only it will be regular or ULSD diesel.

Sorry guys but according to the EPA website this is not the case. According to the timeline on the EPA site ULSD(S15 as its being called)in the US and Canada was supposed to be at the pumps no later than 15 October 2006 except in California where the mandated time was 1 September 2006. I've noticed the pumps here in Abilene have been switching their tags from the LSD (S500) 2007 model year warning to the S15 2007 model year warning.

Boats, trains and off road vehicles will be impacted 1 June 2007 as they switch from heavy Diesel to the 500 PPM Diesel. The refineries were supposed to switch to refining the ULSD in June 2006 in order to get the fuel to the pumps by 15 October 2006.

I've looked and have not seen any type of regular and premium Diesel fuels being refined although retailers may sell residual S500 and S15 at the same time if they have 2 segregated tanks and pumps. The regulation states that 80% of the Diesel they sell must be S15 so it looks like a big hassle for retailers. Most retailers have a single tank for Diesel so expect them to carry the S15 only. Again, California mandates that all Diesel fuel sold at retail must be S15.

Mexico switches to S15 in 2008

RMccord · 10-19-2006, 04:12 PM

I would say if it was going to hurt your unit the Mfgr's would be moaning as they would have the warranty issues not the state or fed gov.
But Stanadyne makes a product called Lubricity which may be something to consider. I aso understand it is compatable with Stanadynes Performace Formula which is the only additive GM has approved that I know of. So that may be an answer.

RMccord · 10-19-2006, 04:17 PM

Of course I live in CA so I guess I have been getting the USLD for sometime now. Maybe I should start using Lubricity as well.

2007dura · 10-19-2006, 04:39 PM

Here is a link that should answer your questions.
http://www.chevron.com/products/prod...sel/ulsd.shtml

OntMont · 10-20-2006, 02:37 PM

I talked to the Service Manager at my Chev dealership today about the use of additives. He said to use the Stanadyne Performance Formula "a couple of times a year". His take was not so much that it helped ULSD perform better, but that it was good for general fuel system maintenance regardless of the fuel, particularly for removing moisture.

Cat320 · 10-21-2006, 05:28 AM

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quote:Originally posted by OntMont

That is why some of us bought the O7 Silverado Classic version while it was still available.

Sure was!

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