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10-11-2008, 08:39 AM
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Montana Fan
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Location: Crown Point
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M.O.C. #4726
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newsweek article Gm & Chrysler talks
Newsweek states that GM & Chrysler had talks about merging.
If that happens then GM could easily say bye to their diesel and add the cummings. Now that should improve the mpg & still give the great GM looks.
As far as the Dodge products they would then be able to finally get the great Allison trans they've always admired.
All customers to both brands get to stay happy with their sheetmetal.
Chuck
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10-11-2008, 11:10 AM
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Montana Master
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I don't have any complaints about my GM diesel and Allison.I get almost 12 mpg pulling a 3295rk and 20mpg without.
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10-11-2008, 11:29 AM
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Montana Master
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It want happen, no advantage for GM?? The Duramax/Allison is a proven combo, best HP and Torq what else can you ask for??? GBY...
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10-11-2008, 12:04 PM
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Montana Master
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I am running a Cummings 6.7L and an Allison tranny right now!
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10-11-2008, 12:50 PM
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Montana Fan
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As has been noted earlier this year GM is thinking about discontinuing the Duramax. If so the Cummings makes a great choice. I hope the mpg will go up for this combination.
Chuck
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10-11-2008, 01:39 PM
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Montana Master
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One more time guys. There is no "G" in Cummins.
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10-11-2008, 01:42 PM
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Montana Master
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I really don't believe GM will drop the Duramax, it just want happen, unless they have a in house twin to the Duramax. GM is already bringing our the baby Duramax. If you do a little research the Allison is in a lot of other Trucks now. I personally hope this doesn't happen, GM doesn't need more debt. GBY....
Jan-Sep 08
GM 36.71% (549,197 units)
Ford 29.91% (447,513 units)
Dodge 13.10% (196,058 units)
Toyota Trucks out sold Dodge???
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10-11-2008, 04:43 PM
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Montana Fan
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Given what is happening to our economy today ANYTHING is possible imho.
Bob
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10-11-2008, 06:33 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2007
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M.O.C. #7329
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My dream truck: Ford looks, GM ride, Cummins engine, and Asin tranny. 
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10-11-2008, 11:58 PM
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Montana Master
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My dream truck  GM looks, Duramax diesel engine, Duramax torque, Duramax HP, Allison Transmission, GM ride and most important the GM name. OH YEAH!! That's Not a Dream, that's ACTUALITY!
 Anything else is a nightmare.
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10-12-2008, 02:57 AM
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Montana Master
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Cummings! Cummings! Cummings! Cummings! Cummings! Cummings! Cummings!
So there.
I have a friend who's last name is Cummings, so it's just a throw back!!!!!
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10-12-2008, 02:58 AM
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Montana Master
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It is a survival issue and it will happen if necessary. What the lines will be will also be determined by what the consumer is or will buy. What rv'ers buy is a non issue. We are not that big of a market. IMO if there was a choice between the Durimax and the Cummins the cummins would win out.
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10-12-2008, 03:27 AM
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Montana Master
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by richfaa
It is a survival issue and it will happen if necessary. What the lines will be will also be determined by what the consumer is or will buy. What rv'ers buy is a non issue. We are not that big of a market. IMO if there was a choice between the Durimax and the Cummins the cummins would win out.
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I, for one, hope we don't find out. I am concerned that all three may belly up before it is over. I can see it now. Restructure. All retiree benefits are either cut out or severely reduced.
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10-12-2008, 03:36 AM
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Montana Master
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As of this morning talks have broken down, remember Chysler/Dodge is a privately owned company when Ceberus bought the company there were talks then of what they would do and looks like they are trying. I see no reason why GM would want Chysler/Dodge other than the Jeep division they would for sure not need the other type vehicles. As for the Cummins its a good Diesel engine, however GM doesn't need a Diesel engine, they have the Duramax. And there is no question the Allison is many years ahead of the new Dodge transmission. I think Allison will add another upgrade to the Allison, more gears to handle the added HP and Torq of the Duramax. What ever happens I just hope GM doesn't make a bad decision. I have tried of several different occasions to buy a Ford or Dodge, (because of the Cummins only) but I always went with GM. Just the total package is the reason. But what ever happens it want suprise me at all, just look whats happening to our Country anything can happen and is happening. Never ever though I would see whats is or may happen????? It is very scary....... Well its off to Church, he gives me a 168 hours I can give at least 1 hour. GBY.....
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10-12-2008, 03:46 AM
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Montana Master
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by richfaa
It is a survival issue and it will happen if necessary. What the lines will be will also be determined by what the consumer is or will buy. What rv'ers buy is a non issue. We are not that big of a market. IMO if there was a choice between the Durimax and the Cummins the cummins would win out.
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Rich, If I were you I wouldn't be taking any bets on that.
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10-12-2008, 04:27 AM
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Montana Master
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The big 3 all make good trucks with both the good and the bad. All have made many poor decisions in the past leading them to be in the situation they now find themselves in. If a merger is what it takes for the industry to survive then let's get it done before it's too late. Change is inevitable, those who hesistate do not survive!!! Having owned all three brands in the past MY CHOICE would be Ford for their current good looks, Dodge for the Cummins and GM for the Allison!
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10-12-2008, 04:35 AM
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Montana Master
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So, someone tell me where GM is gonna get the cash to buy Chrysler??
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10-12-2008, 04:39 AM
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Montana Master
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by Mrs. CountryGuy
So, someone tell me where GM is gonna get the cash to buy Chrysler??
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The Wall Street Journal, citing people familiar with the matter, said Cerberus proposed a swap: GM would take Chrysler's automotive operations and Cerberus would take the 49% of GMAC that GM still owns. (C&P)
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10-12-2008, 10:53 AM
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Montana Fan
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Yes Will that's correct. I also agree if they need to merge to survive just do it and lets get on with business. Many of the large auto malls are failing out here, so now it looks like the small well run dealerships may finally come out on top on this recession / depression ride.
Chuck
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10-12-2008, 04:24 PM
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Montana Master
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Everytime the economy slumps, automaker 3 ends up on the auction block. Automaker 4 got gobbled up several decades ago, but so far it has always been in the best interest of automaker 1 and 2 to keep 3 in business for competition.
It wouldn't hurt to lean out on the autoplazas and dealers in this country. Part of Detroit's problem is once they run a successful model, they gear up and mass produce it beyond any conceivable demand and the market gets flooded, not to mention the resale drops like a rock. We could learn some from the European and Asian manufacturing controls for production rather than our own need for greed. There is a reason their cars hold value better, and it's not necessarily because they are better.
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