Why don't they...

[Charlie 3931fb]

Hey All,

Just read another thread about someone with a electrical problem. That bring up a question from me again (Yea I Know...LOL) and then me ranting a bit...

If your RV is to have surge protection, why don't they add it into all of there RV's regardless what package you buy. Your need tires to drive your rig (in our cases) tow our rigs down the road, so you would think with protecting 12, 24 and 120 volt systems. They up graded the TV's, noe they are putting in residential refrigerator's why not add surge protection. What, another $100.00 or so on the price You have to spend that money anyway to go buy a plug in type. Really....... Anybody agree or am I off base.

[mhs4771]

Not off base, except on your price approx $350 for a good one, then you have to add in the cost to wire it in. You've seen some of the work done on these, you want them to wire in an important protection device? Plus, I'm sure management would claim it would push their target price point to high. And no matter how important something like a good EMS is many owners just will not pay the price for it.

[mlh]

You answered your text own question, $100.
A hundred dollars times 10,000 units that is a million dollars. A very small percentage but try to explain why you spend a million dollars to the CEO that you didn’t haft to spend.
Lynwood

[jeffba]

They do offer it, and disk brakes too. you just need to pay for it

[richfaa]

Helen and I sold RV's for several dealers at the big RV show people 100.00 difference is enough for many buyers to walk over to the next isle.

[BB_TX]

Same reason they used to put cheap tires on them. Save a few dollars here, a few there, and a few more in other places and they might save a thousand dollars or more per unit.

They either raise the price to cover those items.

Leave the price as is and absorb the costs.

Or leave them off.

[Charlie 3931fb]

Well no surprise here on your answer's. It all boil's down to the all mighty DOLLAR! Penny wise and pound foolish right?

[DQDick]

I prefer to pick my own EMS system and it's not from the low bidder. Too much is riding on it working properly.

[AZ Traveler]

I prefer an external EMS to an internal one. Different stroke for different folks.

[richfaa]

We all use our RV,s in different ways our first 4 Rv's were used for week end camping usually a hour or two from home and maybe a short vacation. . The biggest problem I can remember was a window leak in a terry TT. The two Montana 5th wheels are a different story we travel thousands of miles a year. We are on our 2nd set of G614; on our 13 3402.

The average RVer uses their Rv 35 to 60 days a year were we will do 60 days in 60 days.

[jimcol]

Originally Posted by Charlie 3931fb

Well no surprise here on your answer's. It all boil's down to the all mighty DOLLAR! Penny wise and pound foolish right?

Maybe it boils down not to dollars but rather consumer choices. Kind of like wearing a mask. Your unit will function with out an EMS until it doesn't. You can breath without a mask until you can't.

[mtlakejim]

Originally Posted by richfaa

Helen and I sold RV's for several dealers at the big RV show people 100.00 difference is enough for many buyers to walk over to the next isle.

I would not be surprised but those type of folks are either not serious or fools!

[mtlakejim]

My thought would be why don't they offer an add on package similar to pickup trucks. That way the cheapskates could buy the base package and the folks that know a little more can get what they want too.


For instance one package could include: IS suspension, disc brakes, Saluin HD tires and a cushion hitch pin. Another might be upgraded furniture and trim. Yet another might be upgraded appliances....


I don't know about the rest of you but I would have gladly paid more to get the above straight from the factory.

[mhs4771]

James, I can tell you that every year for the past few years at our SOB Rally (still part of Keystone) the question is asked about making the MORryde IS an option. Their answer "It would push the price past their set point" and you can't even explain to them that it won't affect their price point because it would only be an option experienced people would order. So good luck trying to get it through the Montana Management since they report to the same folks our SOB Management does, THOR

[BB_TX]

Originally Posted by mtlakejim

I would not be surprised but those type of folks are either not serious or fools!

People are funny in many ways. I have a very good friend who is far from being a fool. But he will drive 2 miles to save 2 cents per gallon of gas. He bought a new GMC SUV stickered at $80k+. But I can assure you he negotiated it down to the last penny. He didn’t have a particularly high paying job, but accumulated a very comfortable retirement by his methods. Exactly like his father. Money smart, yes. Fools, no.

As far as offering options, I am certainly no production line engineer, but I am sure that having to build units with different options would slow down the overall production line, causing fewer units per day, and ultimately causing increase costs in all units. Chunking them out all virtually identical except for furnishings would lead to maximum efficiency and output number per day.

[Texan]

I've always said the rv industry leaves you plenty of room for improvements. I agree it would be nice to have different packages such as electrical, suspension luxury etc, etc. Most people buy off the dealer lot and these items as great as they may be would be harder to sell because of the price. You should though be able to buy these items through special order but the manufactures prefer the one size fits all approach. At least you can get the Legacy option for the luxury. The i.s. is such an expensive option but the DRV rv's have this as standard equipment along with the disc brakes but sell thousands less every year than the Montana's. When you are #1 in sales it's easy to take the approach 'If it ain't broke don't fix it'.

[WeBeFulltime]

Because they would not charge the "$100" you mentioned but rather $1200-1500 and customers would SCREAM.

[Charlie 3931fb]

All of you make really good points about this. The point that I am trying to make is all of you would have on your Montana's or with your Montana's a surge protection device. Its because of the way the trailer are built with different electrical components (TV, Res. Refrigerator, Air Conditioner, ect) you want to keep them safe. So what do you do, you go and get a surge protector and plug it in to the shore power cable. My thought was being that we all have one. Now for me 2 because of the Legacy package I have with my 3931FB. Also I am a new member here. since I have been here (2-3 Month's) I have read more thread about electrical problems than any other problems here. I think I have read more about electric problem's then water leaks. This is just my take on this subject. But was glad to see all the response's from all you guys. again great information as always......

[mhs4771]

Charlie, if you had been here maybe 10 years ago, every other thread was on the Tires, both Marabombs and Chinabombs.
I only put a couple thousand mile on our 2010 2955RL before upgrading to GY G614s as a result of all the posts here.

[Charlie 3931fb]

Originally Posted by mhs4771

Charlie, if you had been here maybe 10 years ago, every other thread was on the Tires, both Marabombs and Chinabombs.
I only put a couple thousand mile on our 2010 2955RL before upgrading to GY G614s as a result of all the posts here.

Hi Michelle & Ann,

I know that this forum is a great tool to have when you are the owner's of Montana and Keystone RV's. And yes when they (Keystone) is doing something wrong with tire's, electrical item's, Plumbing, heating, ect. You have a place to help and aid all that are here. what about the keystone folk's that do not use this forum. They don't know what going on. Maybe no help. I love this forum. They have been very very helpful to Sofia and I in a 1000 ways since we got our Montana. It goes without saying that I am grateful for this site. That being said...

Electrical system's on these RV's can come up and bite you. It did with us. Because of this and what I have been learning I was just asking the question WHY they (Keystone) doesn't install all RV's with surge protections. If you read the reply's you will see why and they all make good sense to me..