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Old 09-15-2010, 02:56 PM   #1
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Good Ford Report

On my last oil report I had way too much of all medals in the oil. My engine was wearing out way too fast. I had 28 parts aluminum, 154 parts iron, 3.3 parts nickle, etc. Most disturbing was 13% fuel in the oil. I took my truck back to the dealer and they checked every thing out, nothing wrong. They called Ford, nothing Ford could do. With the ball back in my court, I decided to take the DPF off and tune my truck. I had always thought it was stupid to tune a truck with this much power, but what else could I do? Go on like I was like I was and ruin the engine. That wasn't an option with me.
I just got a new oil report back. All medals were back to normal or close, and what pleased me most was the fuel in the oil was 13% now it was less than .5%. Plus I have noticed that my EGT stays lower tuned than before. On a untuned truck during regen EGT can go up to 1300 degrees. I have never seen mine up to 1100. I get better fuel mileage. Every thing about this Spartan tuner is a plus to me. Easier on the engine, better fuel mileage, way more power, and a much more responsive truck.
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Old 09-15-2010, 05:38 PM   #2
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Same here Lynwood, we love our Spartan Tunes; it makes a truck the way a Super Duty should perform. Great company, great technology!
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Old 09-16-2010, 02:19 PM   #3
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Spartan makes driving fun again. It's a win win.
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Old 09-18-2010, 03:26 PM   #4
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mlh can you explain where the metal was coming from, the pdf system? i uderstand the fuel part.and yes the the power tuners are really cool and work really well
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Old 09-19-2010, 04:29 AM   #5
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Yes I can explain it, urrr, I think. The fuel washing by the rings allows the engine to wear out. It leaves the cylinders with no oil while in regen. I think this accounts for the iron and chromium. Then fuel dilutes the oil and allows the bearings to wear out. Thats wear the lead comes from. What I really think is, these engines are just going to wear out faster with the DPF in use. Cummings must think so too, They reduced the service interval for their 6.7 by 100,000 miles. That tells me something. Do a little research and let us know what you find out. I have always said two people that thinks the same just means one is not thinking. So after you do your research if you don't agree, please let us know. I would love to be wrong, in this case.
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Old 09-21-2010, 02:59 PM   #6
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thanks for the explanation. that might be why gm 2011 does the regen in the exhaust system instead of the engine.thy inject fuel in the exhaust instead of the engine thats for the infoand good luck
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My impression is they all inject directly into the exhaust for the regeneration cycle rather than into the cylinder itself. Is that not true of the Ford 6.4L?
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Old 09-21-2010, 03:43 PM   #8
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Injecting fuel in the exhaust is indeed much better. It wont ruin your engine.
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Old 09-21-2010, 03:53 PM   #9
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Ford and Dodge injects fuel in the in the cylinders. I know a man who checked his Dodge oil at 5000 miles and had 5% fuel in his oil. Bottom line if you own a 2008 or newer diesel truck GET THE OIL CHECKED.
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Old 09-26-2010, 04:00 PM   #10
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Interesting. Now I'm concerned about my oil since my 2008 F-350 regens about every 100 miles! SHEESH! Where do you recommend I send an oil sample for analysis???
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Our 2008 6.4L is completly stock. We had the oil checked twice and the oil in fuel was below 5% each time. We can get to 1300 degrees when on a hard pull on a steep grade with the 3400 in tow but have never seen that during regen solo. Regen will normaly increase the EGT by @ 300 degrees then slowly drop off. Solo regen temps at the speed of 62/65 MPH will be @ 1050/1150 degrees as observed on my aftermarket guage. We will be doing another oil check at 36K miles.


I am confused......

This says unburned fuel enters the filter?????
DPF is an acronym for Diesel Particulate Filter. A DPF works in conjunction with the oxidation catalyst and EGR valve to remove a majority of the NOx, particulate matter (think black, cough-inducing soot) and unburned hydrocarbons from burned diesel fuel. Soot is a natural byproduct from the combustion of diesel fuel. Inside the DPF is a porous honeycomb structure that catches the soot as it passes through. After the soot builds up over time, the onboard computer controls fuel injection to allow unburned fuel to enter the filter at measured intervals where it flares off and generates increased temperatures that incinerate the accumulated soot. The result: Soot is chopped by over 90-percent."
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Old 09-27-2010, 11:01 AM   #12
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Blackstone Laboratories at Blackstone-labs. com is the one most people use. Most people will average 5% at 5000 miles. Blackstone and every other oil analysis company that I know about recommends less than 2% fuel in your oil. You are wright you should be concerned. Some have drained as much as 18+ quarts of oil out of their engines. Ford tells you there is nothing wrong. When Ford had their 7.3 less than 2% fuel in the oil was OK. Now I guess if oil doesn't run out of the dipstick tube its OK. What I really think is Ford can't fix the problem with the DPF on the truck and can't take it off. If you have your oil tested please let us know what you find.
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Old 09-27-2010, 03:04 PM   #13
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According to the Amsoil site, all the big 3 use cylinder injection to burn out the DPF.

From their site; Light-duty diesel pickup manufacturers (Dodge, Ford, GM) have opted for a less costly in-cylinder injection system. With in-cylinder injection systems, some raw diesel fuel injected on the exhaust stroke can wash directly past the rings and into the crankcase, mixing with the oil. Regular washing of cylinders is a source of fuel contamination in the crankcase and is not conductive to long-term engine protection. Use oil analysis results from 2007-2009 light-duty diesel vehicles showed some elevated fuel dilution, but at tolerable levels.

The comparison was to Class 8 tractors, which apparently inject fuel into the exhaust system. Interesting, to say the least.
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I thought GM injected into the exhaust pipe. Have you ever had your oil checked?
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Thanks Will
I thought GM injected into the exhaust pipe. Have you ever had your oil checked?
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No, I was thinking it was injected into the exhaust system too. I may need to get a sample checked though.
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