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01-07-2020, 07:42 PM
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New Member
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Humboldt
Posts: 5
M.O.C. #25596
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New fifth wheel owner
Hello all. We are a long term Class C owners who have jumped into the world of the fifth wheel. Certainly we are looking forward to a few trips this year and are very hopeful that we will enjoy this adventure!
We purchased a 2020 291RL. After looking at a lot of different combinations this seemed to fit us best, just two of us and our little ankle-biter! Also we didn't want to over tax the truck being a F250 with the 6.7 diesel.
Look forward to learning on the forum!
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01-07-2020, 08:11 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Wilsey
Posts: 18,799
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Welcome to the forum! May your new rig bring you many years of wonderful memories.
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Dick, Joyce, Diego, Picatso and Gustav
2017 3720 RL, and 2013 HC 343RL
Pullrite Hitch, IS, Disk Brakes, 3rd AC, Winegard Traveler, Bathroom door mod, Dometic 320, couch for desk swap, replaced chairs, sun screens, added awnings, etc.
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01-07-2020, 08:26 PM
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Established Member
Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: Saint John
Posts: 14
M.O.C. #25259
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Welcome to the forum. We are fairly new to fifth wheels as well. Wishing you much happiness with your new unit. Chad and Carrie (Indiana)
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01-08-2020, 06:42 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Lake Gaston
Posts: 8,773
M.O.C. #12156
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Welcome and safe travels
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Mike and Lorraine
2002 3655 FL, 2005 3650RK
2010 3665RE, 2015 3910FB
F350 crew cab dually 6.7
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01-08-2020, 10:34 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Puyallup
Posts: 512
M.O.C. #12948
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Welcome and Happy Trails!
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2018 3820FK Legacy Package
2013 3750fl
2019 Chevrolet 3500HD High Country Dually
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01-08-2020, 10:36 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Puyallup
Posts: 512
M.O.C. #12948
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Welcome to the MOC family and Happy Trails from WA.
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2018 3820FK Legacy Package
2013 3750fl
2019 Chevrolet 3500HD High Country Dually
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01-08-2020, 02:14 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Fullerton
Posts: 209
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Welcome to the forum from Southern California! Enjoy your new rig!
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Donjamin & Laurie
Fullerton, CA
2016 Montana Legacy, 3160RL
2015 Ford F-250 SD 4X4
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01-08-2020, 04:09 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 357
M.O.C. #21337
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Welcome and Congratulations 
Safe travels 
Mike
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Montana 3123RL Legacy 'Boon-docking Edition'
RAM 3500 Mega Cab Cummins Diesel DRW
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01-09-2020, 01:43 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Lakewood
Posts: 387
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Welcome to the forum and great adventure.
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2023 Jayco North Point 310RLTS
2022 GMC Denali Ultimate DRW
Retired Army MSG
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01-09-2020, 05:59 PM
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New Member
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Connersville
Posts: 4
M.O.C. #25496
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Welcome to the forum.
I have done a lot of research on Truck and Trailer GVWR. I have a chevrolet 1 ton pulling a Montana 3791RD. My truck weighs 8440 with me in it and a full tank of diesel. The GVWR for my truck is 11,500. After I hook up the Fifth Wheel loaded with camping supplies, I guarantee I am over the GVWR. However, I am under towing capacity, and under GCWR. My suggestion would be to do research on your 3/4 ton truck and see what your ratings are.
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01-09-2020, 08:55 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: POINTBLANK
Posts: 1,887
M.O.C. #19944
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BLee67
Welcome to the forum.
I have done a lot of research on Truck and Trailer GVWR. I have a chevrolet 1 ton pulling a Montana 3791RD. My truck weighs 8440 with me in it and a full tank of diesel. The GVWR for my truck is 11,500. After I hook up the Fifth Wheel loaded with camping supplies, I guarantee I am over the GVWR. However, I am under towing capacity, and under GCWR. My suggestion would be to do research on your 3/4 ton truck and see what your ratings are.
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AMEN - Glad someone mentioned GVWR - that's why i went DRW
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 RAM 22' DRW 3500 Crew LB 40 gal reserve tank / RETRAX Bed Cover / 2020 373RD HC / IS / MOPEKA Tank Monitor / Furrion Side&Rear Cameras
Slide Toppers / EMS-HW50C / Sailun 85's
3rd AC / Dometic 320
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01-10-2020, 07:53 AM
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New Member
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Humboldt
Posts: 5
M.O.C. #25596
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BLee67
Welcome to the forum.
I have done a lot of research on Truck and Trailer GVWR. I have a chevrolet 1 ton pulling a Montana 3791RD. My truck weighs 8440 with me in it and a full tank of diesel. The GVWR for my truck is 11,500. After I hook up the Fifth Wheel loaded with camping supplies, I guarantee I am over the GVWR. However, I am under towing capacity, and under GCWR. My suggestion would be to do research on your 3/4 ton truck and see what your ratings are.
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I thought I had checked the ratings and capacities, but maybe not correctly?
My truck has a GVWR of 10000, a fifth wheel weight rating of 14700. The trailer I am buying is 34 foot long, with a curb weight of 11700, pin weight of 2300 and a GVWR of 14100. I seems to me that I am within limits.
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01-10-2020, 02:27 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: POINTBLANK
Posts: 1,887
M.O.C. #19944
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Karfever
I thought I had checked the ratings and capacities, but maybe not correctly?
My truck has a GVWR of 10000, a fifth wheel weight rating of 14700. The trailer I am buying is 34 foot long, with a curb weight of 11700, pin weight of 2300 and a GVWR of 14100. I seems to me that I am within limits.
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GVWR - includes the weight of the truck, anything in the bed, fuel, people, pets
So  guess)
10,000 - GVWR Truck
8,250 - Truck weight
300 - fuel weight
600 - people/pets
200 - fifth wheel hitch
2,300 - pin weight (empty 5er)
700 - additional pin weight from stuff in 5er
darn - more than likely the truck is over
That's what i learned when leaving the rally
Hope that helps - think it might be reality
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RAM 22' DRW 3500 Crew LB 40 gal reserve tank / RETRAX Bed Cover / 2020 373RD HC / IS / MOPEKA Tank Monitor / Furrion Side&Rear Cameras
Slide Toppers / EMS-HW50C / Sailun 85's
3rd AC / Dometic 320
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01-10-2020, 02:39 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Tacoma
Posts: 1,567
M.O.C. #20475
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Welcome to the MOC. from Washington St. safe travels
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2017 HC HM352RL 2018 Dodge 3500 laramie CC LB 4x4
Curt Q25 with puck system, Factory air bags
Happy Trails 
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01-10-2020, 04:42 PM
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New Member
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Humboldt
Posts: 5
M.O.C. #25596
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ram Montana High Country
GVWR - includes the weight of the truck, anything in the bed, fuel, people, pets
So guess)
10,000 - GVWR Truck
8,250 - Truck weight
300 - fuel weight
600 - people/pets
200 - fifth wheel hitch
2,300 - pin weight (empty 5er)
700 - additional pin weight from stuff in 5er
darn - more than likely the truck is over
That's what i learned when leaving the rally
Hope that helps - think it might be reality |
So based on this I better cancel the sale and stay with the Class C. It is very disappointing as I bought this truck to pull my 30ft car trailer (which it does effortlessly) and to pull a fifth wheel RV. My mistake I guess as I did not consider the 10k GVWR which seems ridiculous for this truck.
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01-10-2020, 08:36 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Brandon
Posts: 3,944
M.O.C. #1034
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Glad to have you join us.
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Minnedosa, Manitoba, Canada
2011/3500/Silverado/4x4/DRW/Duramax 
2017/3721RL/Legacy Pkg./Pressure-Pro 
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01-11-2020, 10:34 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: POINTBLANK
Posts: 1,887
M.O.C. #19944
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Karfever
So based on this I better cancel the sale and stay with the Class C. It is very disappointing as I bought this truck to pull my 30ft car trailer (which it does effortlessly) and to pull a fifth wheel RV. My mistake I guess as I did not consider the 10k GVWR which seems ridiculous for this truck.
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The set you are talking about is very common - many folks never know better … agreed the 10k is not good
If you have the fifth wheel hitch, ask the dealer to put it on your truck and go to a set of scales.
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RAM 22' DRW 3500 Crew LB 40 gal reserve tank / RETRAX Bed Cover / 2020 373RD HC / IS / MOPEKA Tank Monitor / Furrion Side&Rear Cameras
Slide Toppers / EMS-HW50C / Sailun 85's
3rd AC / Dometic 320
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01-12-2020, 08:11 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Lakewood
Posts: 387
M.O.C. #24110
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Yes, if you are to far into it I would hook her up and go to the scale but to be more sure take your truck ready for towing first and after you do that take your fiver both ready for camping and that will give you what you need to know. If you not sure of the numbers post both here and someone will tell you what you have, most of us been their.
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01-12-2020, 09:48 AM
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New Member
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Humboldt
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M.O.C. #25596
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So we have decided to take the truck to a CAT scale today, with the cargo and people we would normally have in the truck. If the gross weight is below 7000, I believe I will be ok.
7000 truck weight
200 hitch
2100 pin weight
700 misc
has me right at 10000. And if the 10000 GVWR is artificially low then all the better
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01-12-2020, 03:18 PM
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New Member
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Humboldt
Posts: 5
M.O.C. #25596
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Disappointment
So I had my truck weighed today, full of fuel, three passengers and a couple hundred pounds in the bed. Wow, some of you were spot on. There is NO way I can pull a fifth wheel of any appreciable size. The stickers on the door tell the entire story which I confirmed by the scales today.
2019 F250 6.7
Crew Cab 4x4
Towing package
Factory puck system
GVWR 10000 (Door sticker and window sticker)
Cargo capacity 2043 (Yellow door sticker)
Scales Front axle 4840
Rear Axle 3540
Total 8380
That leaves me a whopping total available weight of 1620!
I have learned a valuable albeit costly lesson. I bought this truck thinking I could pull my car trailer AND a 32 foot fifth wheel. I guess I w.as oblivious to the door jamb stickers. I doubt if I keep this truck much longer as it will be better to go back to a half ton and avoid the diesel fuel costs etc.
Thank you to all who responded to this thread for your suggestions and insight! I appreciate you all.
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