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07-18-2020, 07:08 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2003
Location: New Bern
Posts: 4,294
M.O.C. #311
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bleedmichigan
Not sure how the IS would decrease payload on the trailer as it’s not riding in the trailer.
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My fingers may have gone wild on the number. There are some factors that need to be taken into account. How much steal is need to “raise” level your RV.
As suggested Check with MorRyde/. This is my second Montana with IS and Disc brakes. Would not go any other way.
Safe travels and stay healthy.
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07-18-2020, 07:25 PM
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#62
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Battleford
Posts: 627
M.O.C. #26690
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Quote:
Originally Posted by richfaa
It does not weigh 800 lbs you can call Mor Ryde and ask them. The 7K Is system added about 300 lbs to our 13 3402.
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Thanks, that sounds far more reasonable. I was quoting an earlier post by John who said it added 800lbs.
Glad to hear that it does not. Still it does reduce payload by a significant amount and that needs to be factored in.
Thanks!
Brad
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07-18-2020, 08:08 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Columbia
Posts: 303
M.O.C. #23739
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kowbra
Yes, the total payload doesn't change, but adding 800lbs of steel means the trailer weighs 800lbs more, but the GVRW didn't change, so there is 800lbs less "available payload" for everything else I want to haul.
Example, if my unit has a 16,500 GVRW and weighs 14,100 from the factory, I have a sticker total payload 2400lbs. But, if IS adds 800lbs to the UVW, I think I just lost 800lbs of available payload because now my UVW is 14,900...
Yes, no? Thoughts?
Thanks,
Brad
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The sticker is just that a sticker. Here is the issue. The sticker is based on factory axles and the frame. The IS can handle more than the 6.5k or 7k axles from keystone. So The question becomes how much can the IS handle? Your not putting more weight on the frame so the frame technically won’t exceed its rated capacity. So I very much doubt even if the IS only adds 300 lbs to the weight of a trailer that anything as it relates to truck or trailer payload is gone except as it relates to the sticker.
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07-19-2020, 05:54 AM
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New Member
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Chambersburg
Posts: 3
M.O.C. #24189
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kowbra
Just noticed your post... I'm new to Montana's and thinking of adding IS, but!
Does it really add 800lbs to the rig? That's a ton of payload to lose.
Thanks,
Brad
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We're new also. The weight is probably right, but the exact weighing of original vs upgrade would have to be done. Moreryde should be able to give more info. We bought our 2013 used a yr. ago. IS and disc brakes were added by original owner shortly after their purchase for trip to Alaska. There is a world of difference and improvement towing with IS and disc brakes vs springs and drum brakes. Better handling and stopping. I wouldn't want to tow with standard suspension or drum brakes.
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07-19-2020, 09:46 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Carson City
Posts: 2,017
M.O.C. #21963
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I don't ride in the trailer so I have no way of knowing if IS rides better. An overactive steering wheel will toss around any trailer but it may be smoother on bumps compared to a basic suspension. Now the discs are a different story.
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07-19-2020, 09:57 AM
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#66
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Frostbite Falls
Posts: 433
M.O.C. #26015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Montana Man
I don't ride in the trailer so I have no way of knowing if IS rides better. An overactive steering wheel will toss around any trailer but it may be smoother on bumps compared to a basic suspension. Now the discs are a different story.
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Way smoother I think, sinks covers don't jump out so often, less trim falling off.
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07-19-2020, 01:46 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Peachtree City
Posts: 110
M.O.C. #21599
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Mostly a concern for your running gear...tires and axels. However, you are required to follow the GVWR as stated on sticker, unless you have keystone re-certify with updated sticker.
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08-13-2020, 09:38 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Eagan, MN
Posts: 107
M.O.C. #18907
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Disk Brake / Lube question
Calm down, I know brakes and grease don’t mix. Had MORRyde install disk brakes after the MOC Rally last fall. I felt an immediate improvement. Took the rig in to have the hubs lubed as part of the annual maintenance last month. They called and said the grease looked brand new and shouldn’t do it. I have about 2000 miles on this lube. Here’s the real question:
1. Does MORRyde lube the hubs while they have it apart?
2. They also said it would cost more than the standard next year because of the extra labor associated with the disk brakes. Is this salesmanship or real? I’ve always had really great service from these guys and never had a reason to doubt them.
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Kris & Al
2014 Montana 3402RL, Disk brakes, Sailun S637
2019 RAM 3500 Laramie 6.7 Cummins, PullRite 2900 SuperGlide
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08-14-2020, 12:36 AM
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#69
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2017
Location: new caney
Posts: 1,050
M.O.C. #19873
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The I.S rides better on account each wheel is independent of each other so when you drop off in a hole or hit a high spot on one side of your rv it doesn't react on the other side like it would with a straight axle. When you go up or down on one side the other side stays the same. Mor-Ryde told me the 7,000# suspension with disc would add about 300#'s to my rv and a little more for the 8k on account of the thicker metal. You get the 8k rotors with the 7k or 8k axles. This is the most expensive yet best improvement for any rv.
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08-14-2020, 05:08 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 1,788
M.O.C. #14547
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Harmon.al
2. They also said it would cost more than the standard next year because of the extra labor associated with the disk brakes. Is this salesmanship or real? I’ve always had really great service from these guys and never had a reason to doubt them.
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It takes, maybe, 5 minutes longer per wheel if equipped with Kodiak calipers to pull 2 additional bolts. You need to remove the calipers and wire them away from the rotors to properly lube the inner bearing and another 5 minute to replace and torque those bolts. If yours has the Dexter calipers, it will take a couple minutes more - maybe
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2014 Montana High Country 343RL (Sold!)
2011 Ford 6.7 Lariat CCLB (Went to PU Heaven)
2019 F150SC XLT SE Sport,w/full tow package
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08-14-2020, 06:24 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Catoosa
Posts: 780
M.O.C. #18384
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Dave W has it right. I would figure an additional 15 to 30 minutes at the outside added to their hourly rate.
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2015 3100RL legacy...2005 Ford F-250 CC SB. Tows like a charm! 4/19 Updated to 2017 Chevy 3500 CC SB SRW -hope it tows as well as my F 250 did!
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08-14-2020, 07:24 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: westminster md
Posts: 2,318
M.O.C. #17894
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The added weight will be very different for each trailer. I have a previous cat scale axle weight ticket of 12600# on the axles (disc brakes already installed) The IS was installed mid June. The disc brakes were transferred to the IS. The camper was similarly loaded and weighed 13750# cat scale weighted on the way to the next stop. I did some adjustments for extra things that were in the camper when the iS was installed.
I figure the install added 1000# or so. I my case a 2x3 tube was welded to the frame with a 2x2 welded to it. 2-2x2 welded between (side to side).
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2018 Chevy 3500 LTZ Dually Diesel 4x4 CCLB
2011 Montana 3455 SA. 6 point level up. Disc brakes. Curt Q24 Hitch. 5 step glow steps
Progressive EMS. Valterra tank valves. Sailun G637 tires. ARP fridge control. All led lighting. Mor Ryde IS
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08-14-2020, 09:52 AM
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#73
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Montana Master
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Sebring
Posts: 3,659
M.O.C. #9969
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Here what I know: Original suspension with a 3000 Equalizer has 3" of travel, with the 4000 Equalizer, 4" of travel, with the MORryde IS over 5" of travel at each wheel independent as to what any other wheel is doing, with a shock at each wheel.
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Michelle & Ann
2018 Chevy 3500HD High Country DRW 4X4 Crew Cab w/Duramax/Allison, Formally 2010 Montana 2955RL, Now Loaded 2016 SOB, Mor/ryde IS, Disc Brakes & Pin Box, Comfort Ride Hitch, Sailun 17.5 Tires.
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08-14-2020, 10:06 AM
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#74
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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Don't know what weight the IS added and don't much care. We are under specs the ride is much smoother and I did ride back there. I do not think I would get it if we were weekend campers but we have always done a lot of road miles and IMO the OEM suspension is the weakest link.
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08-14-2020, 10:20 AM
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#75
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2017
Location: new caney
Posts: 1,050
M.O.C. #19873
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Agree with Richard on this. As expensive as it is i would do it again. When i travel i travel no less than 600 miles from home and usually much more. If i were a week-end warrior traveling no more than 200 miles then i probably wouldn't spend the money but the I.S. is something i don't have to worry about stranding me on the side of the road like the old suspension. As for as weight i don't worry about how much it weighs on account i can't do anything about it anyhow. If you want a beefier suspension then the weight goes with it.
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