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01-07-2015, 11:27 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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More failures
Ready for this. The galley tank that failed here on our Florida lot and was replaced in June of 2014 has failed again yesterday. Galley water pouring out of the underbelly. Black tank has sprung a leak at the top I think and hope. That makes 4 tank failures on this 2013 3402 Big Sky that is 32 months old. It has been on our lot in Florida since October 21 ,2104 just holding water and dumping every 3 days or so. E mails off to the dealer that installed the previous failed tanks and to Keystone today. Received replies back quickly and we hope for a resolution. Of course we live in the Montana here during the winter and it took 8 weeks to repair and replace the previous failed tanks. Lost our summer travel trip last season and this summers travel looks bleak. We have really had enough. Will follow up with results.
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01-07-2015, 12:52 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Winfield
Posts: 7,327
M.O.C. #6846
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Rich,
Why don't you just leave the galley tank open when sitting, I have always done that and even leave gray open unless I need it for flushing hose after black tank dump. I will close it for a day to store water for flushing hose is all. Granted you are in the rig a lot more than us, but we have never had a tank failure. Just a thought.
Bingo
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Bingo and Cathy - Our adventures begin in the hills of WV. We are blessed by our 2014 3850FL Big Sky (previous 2011 3750FL and 2007 3400RL) that we pull with a 2007 Chevy Silverado Classic DRW CC dually.
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01-07-2015, 12:54 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: McKinney
Posts: 7,167
M.O.C. #6433
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WOW, Rich. I think you are taking the hit for all of us. No one has had the problems you have had. Lemon law maybe????
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Bill & Patricia
Riley, our Golden
2007 3075RL (recently sold, currently without)
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01-07-2015, 01:06 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Arroyo City
Posts: 3,110
M.O.C. #13395
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Richard, if it wasn't for bad luck, you wouldn't have any luck at all
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01-07-2015, 02:04 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Paola
Posts: 5,739
M.O.C. #4961
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Rich, we boondock a lot and travel with full tanks until we find a place to dump. If anybody should have a problem it should be someone like me and not someone that stays parked for months like you. Mine does not even have the support straps that they recommend.
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Dennis & Linda Ward
Paola, Kansas
Montana 3735MK Legacy Edition
1200 watts of Solar
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01-07-2015, 02:04 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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Bingo We do leave the gray and galley valve open most of the time only closing it occasionally to clean after dumping the black tank. Made no difference in the 5 tank failures in our 06 3400 and now 4 failures in this 13 3402. We have had many problems with both our Montana's . We do spend a lot of time in them and do put a lot of miles on them but is that not what they are for???
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01-07-2015, 02:12 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Brandon
Posts: 3,944
M.O.C. #1034
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Yes Rich that is exactly why we buy these rigs, is to use them. I am at a total loss to explain how one couple could possibly have so many tank problems no matter how and when you dump them!!! Surely by now you have used up all your bad luck.
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Minnedosa, Manitoba, Canada
2011/3500/Silverado/4x4/DRW/Duramax
2017/3721RL/Legacy Pkg./Pressure-Pro
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01-07-2015, 02:30 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Aguanga
Posts: 606
M.O.C. #13601
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You've gotta be kidding me, again! At what point do you simply fold and move on? I know with every fix there's hope that that's the last time but...
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01-07-2015, 03:07 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Lake Gaston
Posts: 8,773
M.O.C. #12156
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I call that really bad luck. One tank leak in 13 years of Montana ownership and was able to repair myself.
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Mike and Lorraine
2002 3655 FL, 2005 3650RK
2010 3665RE, 2015 3910FB
F350 crew cab dually 6.7
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01-07-2015, 03:24 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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We are at that point David. Looking at lots here in this RV resort. We love RV'ing and have been at it for over 30 Years tents, pop ups and 6 RV's but we are now always looking over our shoulder at what might fail next. We do have a plan and if it does not work we are done. As we have said many times if I thought there was better brand in the price range we would have it. I also do not believe that we have a unusual number of problems just that we report all problems. However 9 failed holding tanks in two Rv's in eight years is pushing the law of averages. I don't get it but it is fact.
Major failures in this 2013 3402 Big Sky. Failed fridge, Failed hot water tank, 4 failed holding tanks. The rest of our many problems most categorize as "Minimal' Such as Wall fascia falling off, Pendent light falling off ceiling, Pedestal on table falling apart shelves collapsing in Ardmore due to wall panels pulling out, OEM valve stems defective. Then the really minor things like improperly labeled tv and satellite connections. Front entrance door not fitting properly. Screens falling out of the windows ,propane regulator defective, all lug nuts rusting. Curtain brackets pulling out of wall. Screws falling out of the fenders, Hardware falling apart on some drawers. Side compartment door arms pulled away from the door on two doors. You know little things but for some reason I don't think they should happen on the best you can buy, top of the line 2013 3402 Montana Big Sky. Maybe we are too picky.
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01-07-2015, 04:11 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Wilsey
Posts: 18,799
M.O.C. #11455
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I disagree Rich, you don't have an unusual number of problems, you have an exceptional number of problems. I don't know what you can do about it, but in my opinion you guys have the strength of Job and have suffered enough. I just wish there was someway we could help.
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Dick, Joyce, Diego, Picatso and Gustav
2017 3720 RL, and 2013 HC 343RL
Pullrite Hitch, IS, Disk Brakes, 3rd AC, Winegard Traveler, Bathroom door mod, Dometic 320, couch for desk swap, replaced chairs, sun screens, added awnings, etc.
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01-07-2015, 05:54 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: merced
Posts: 983
M.O.C. #6171
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Rich, it sounds like you got all our bad luck. I've been at it for 30 years and aside from a number of blown tires and one leaky tank , that I fixed, I have had very few problems. And we put a lot of miles on our rig.
Hope your luck turns around.
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01-07-2015, 11:06 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Okeechobee
Posts: 2,150
M.O.C. #11206
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Hi Rich
Your list is small compared to the one I had by the time my trailer was 6 months old.
Then when Keystone refused to repair same under warranty I just bit the bullet and spent the money to have the trailer repaired by a competent shop.
We now have 80,000 miles on the trailer and are beginning to see things that I would consider normal for the mileage.
If Keystone was really concerned about the consumer the dealer I purchased would not be a dealer today. Instead they are still a Keystone dealer and still have a totally incompetent service team and I still find people in the local RV parks with new units delivered by this dealer that are unusable.
However your waste tank problem seems to exceed the norm. Have you taken any pictures of the failed tanks and their installation? There has to be something different about your installation that is causing the problem.
Phil P
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2009 Duramax 3500 DRW quad cab
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01-08-2015, 01:52 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Frostproof, FL USA
Posts: 2,362
M.O.C. #13272
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I assumed Rich your Florida stay would be "repair" free this year. Those issues would drive me nuts. We also have looked at permanent property in SW Florida in preparation for the day we decide not to haul the Montana down here. Even though we are several years out, numerous issues like you are having would probably move our time line up.
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01-08-2015, 03:49 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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I agree that both of My Montana's have had a "exceptional" failure rate. I use this forum as proof that no one has had the problems we experienced and they are all documented. I hope that Keystone will recognize that our failure rate is not normal and is the exception to their excellent record building a high quality unit.
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01-08-2015, 04:05 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Kooskia
Posts: 116
M.O.C. #380
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Rich - it sounds like you got a build on a bad day. This is our 4th Montana, and we sure haven't seen any problems like yours - most issues were microwaves, one broken spring hangar clip, and lots of bent axles.
I posted about a month ago that I thought I had a black tank leak (never had a tank leak on 7 RVs). Dropped the belly yesterday and discovered a leak in the galley tank. These tanks have a flanged top, probably epoxied to the bottom part of the tank, and I believe it is leaking at a flange point on the driver side next to the frame, so can't see it.
Where was the leak in yours, and how did you fix it?
Anybody else have this problem?
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01-08-2015, 04:45 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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My first galley tank leak on this 13 3402 was a split on the very bottom and we had it replaced, I believe the present leak is at the very top as we can fill it almost full before it spills out.
I hope Keystone will recognize that this was exception to the rule of a quality build as evidenced by post on this forum.
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01-08-2015, 05:53 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Washington Coast
Posts: 2,688
M.O.C. #10696
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un Freaki'in believable! I have heard a lot of bad stories from folks with all brands but Yours takes the Cake Rich ,I would be losing it, makes me feel Guilty I have had 3 Great one's, I think no matter what brand you bought you would have the same experience Just rotten luck and we feel for ya
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01-08-2015, 08:32 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Pensacola (mail forward service)
Posts: 3,198
M.O.C. #13740
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As I posted earlier on my galley tank leak, the seam between the top lid of the tank and the bottom portion failed...at the seam...over about a length of 8-12 inches. I dropped my tank and bonded the seam ALL the way around. I also had a crack in the bottom of the tank about 1 inch long, as near as I could tell, that was almost directly under where the grey water enters the tank. Thanks to Ozz, I ordered the repair kit and am confident that I won't have another leak in this tank. I also installed an Iseries tank monitor system that utilizes external sensors, so I know exactly what is in all my tanks. John
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01-08-2015, 09:54 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Okeechobee
Posts: 2,150
M.O.C. #11206
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by richfaa
their excellent record building a high quality unit.
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In hope this is a joke!!!
Phil P
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