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09-16-2021, 09:59 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Bakersfield
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M.O.C. #19549
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Suspension
Good morning.
I have a 2017 Montana 3000RE. I took a trip from California to Texas recently and the roads were terrible. I look like a bumble bee trying to dodge the pot holes and uneven road surfaces. During the trip I have to replace 2 leaf springs on two separate occasions. The last shop that replaced a leaf said the leaves were looking flat and I should consider getting them replaced. One of my axles is offset to one side about 1 to 1 1/2 inches. I would like to put some after market shock absorbers on the trailer to dampen some of the jarring that happens to inside of the trailer and to help the springs. I do not drive fast. I don't drive more that 63 mph.
Does anyone have any suggests or expert advice.
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09-16-2021, 10:29 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Full Timer In Naples, Florida
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With what you describe. you are probably ready to just replace with full independent suspension. We do not have it but i hear its nice.
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09-16-2021, 10:33 AM
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Site Team
Join Date: Oct 2005
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M.O.C. #4831
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You really, really need to get that to a trailer axle place. It sounds like the centering pin is broken, the axle is way out of alignment and the tire(s) will shortly be down to the belts (not good).
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There is more to life than fuel mileage.
2012 Montana 3700RL Big Sky Package towed by a 2015 Ford F350 6.7L PSD 4WD CC LWB
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09-16-2021, 10:45 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Bakersfield
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M.O.C. #19549
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Thank you Carl. After reading some posts I came to the same conclusion. I am scheduled to take it to the shop first part of next week. They are going to go through the whole suspension system.
Have any suggestions on whether to install shocks or not to install? If so any recommendations? I would like to dampen the shock to the inside of trailer.
I have Morryde CRE3000 suspension system. Is there one better in your opinion?
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09-16-2021, 10:52 AM
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Site Team
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Carmichael - CA
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My old 2955 had shocks. I never though they were worth a darn. They are installed at a severe angle due to the suspension and weren't all that effective. I believe that is why they are not on current models.
As for suspension, the Moryde IS is supposedly the hot ticket but scheduling an upgrade is a year out (which gives you time to save up to pay for it). What you have is adequate and what most of us have.
Be sure to have the shop check the tightness of the spring shackle U bolts. I bet they are loose.
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There is more to life than fuel mileage.
2012 Montana 3700RL Big Sky Package towed by a 2015 Ford F350 6.7L PSD 4WD CC LWB
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09-16-2021, 11:40 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Mar 2017
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M.O.C. #19549
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Carl, thank you for your advice and feedback. It is good to have people who you can turn to when you need verification and expertise advice. Thank you.
John
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09-16-2021, 02:59 PM
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Established Member
Join Date: Jul 2021
Location: GLENDALE
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I have had two (Nash/Arctic Fox) travel trailers that were equipped with shocks from the factory. I thought that they worked very well. Disappointed that the 5th is not set up for them. I would add them if it was.
However, I think the real culprit is the deteriorating road conditions over the past 10-15 years.
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09-16-2021, 04:15 PM
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Montana Fan
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M.O.C. #19549
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I agree with your comment about the real culprits.
Thank you for your feedback! Have a great day.
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09-16-2021, 07:39 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Haysville
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Most aftermarket shocks are in a word ... "useless" due to the angle that they need to be installed due to the limited space you have to work with on about any fiver or TT. Joyrider or Roadmaster are two outfits that incorporate mounts in their kits that allow the shock to almost make a difference. I've not had any experience with Roadmaster installs ... did do a Joyrider install a few years back on a guys fiver. He said there was a difference, but nothing to write home about.
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09-16-2021, 08:04 PM
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Montana Fan
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M.O.C. #19549
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Diesel guy thank you for your input. I have decided to replace springs, all other required maintenance, and to continue to use Morryde CRE3000, and comprehensive annual inspections.
Thanks again. Your input is greatly appreciated!
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09-17-2021, 04:46 AM
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Montana Master
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I read somewhere a while back about someone considering putting air bags or Sumo Springs on their 5'er. It is unlikely I'll get the IS in the next 2-3 years. Any thoughts about something like that?
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09-17-2021, 08:45 AM
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Montana Fan
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M.O.C. #19549
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I thought about air bags but right now the cost is a little much for me. It is a good suggestion. Thank you!
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09-17-2021, 08:47 AM
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Montana Fan
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M.O.C. #19549
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Thank everyone for taking time to give me your experience and suggestions.
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09-22-2021, 02:00 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Keller
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RMcNeal
I read somewhere a while back about someone considering putting air bags or Sumo Springs on their 5'er. It is unlikely I'll get the IS in the next 2-3 years. Any thoughts about something like that?
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Up graded shackle kit and Sumo Springs are the next best option IMO. The Sumo Springs are progressive springs and have shock absorber qualities. Look them up on line for specs. You can get them from E-Trailer, Amazon, and some other places. If you have the jacks, tools and inclination, you can do the install yourself. I’m to old now so I let the spring shop do the install. I have read many positive reviews and have a couple friends that have them and think they are great. Going on my 41’ 5er in a couple weeks.
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09-17-2021, 07:13 AM
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Montana Master
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We are at rally and had IS scheduled and installed while here. At rally, Dexter donated a set of their new heavy duty axles - $4000. That still doesn’t touch the suspension, wet bolts or spring hangers. Also, many don’t have disk brakes, which you can add at the same time. Over the last 17 years of towing Montana’s, we have broken springs twice (once in Alaska). Keeping up on suspension maintenance (checking torque, welds on spring hangers, wet bolt torque and grease) will go a long way toward keeping safe on the road. As mentioned, with the conditions of roads, keeping our tires, suspension, pin box and hitch maintained is key to avoiding problems on the road. Best of luck with your inspection.
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09-17-2021, 12:13 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Dec 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rames14
We are at rally and had IS scheduled and installed while here. At rally, Dexter donated a set of their new heavy duty axles - $4000. That still doesn’t touch the suspension, wet bolts or spring hangers.
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Ron, Can't find anything on the Dexter website that describes a heavy duty axel for 5th wheels less than 20k lbs. Just curios what is so unique about these axels to garner that valuation? Appreciate any information they may have provided.
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09-22-2021, 08:43 PM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Tustin Calif
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M.O.C. #18958
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jimcol
Ron, Can't find anything on the Dexter website that describes a heavy duty axel for 5th wheels less than 20k lbs. Just curios what is so unique about these axels to garner that valuation? Appreciate any information they may have provided.
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Jim
Specific to the 3000RK. and not the 8K independent suspension.
Independent suspension seems to be the go to to correct many issues.
I have a 2007 3000RK Build date of December 2006.
The 2006 and early 2007's were built with a 5300 lb axel. Way underrated..
early 2007's models then came out with the 6K axels..
I was wondering at some point..if they were using up old inventory before going to the 6K... axles.. same rig.. same model..then they went to a 6000 lb axel providing the 14K GVW.
I have upgraded the springs and LRE4000 bushing to match the 7000 lb axels. overkill maybe. but I am pretty hard on the rig dirt roads and dry camping etc and have not been disappointed.
from 2006 to 2007 the Lippert frame basically stayed the same
from what I could get out of Keystone. Difficult to tell...
Cheers
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09-23-2021, 07:09 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Kansas City, Missouri
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Razahoryin
Jim
Specific to the 3000RK. and not the 8K independent suspension.
Independent suspension seems to be the go to to correct many issues.
I have a 2007 3000RK Build date of December 2006.
The 2006 and early 2007's were built with a 5300 lb axel. Way underrated..
early 2007's models then came out with the 6K axels..
I was wondering at some point..if they were using up old inventory before going to the 6K... axles.. same rig.. same model..then they went to a 6000 lb axel providing the 14K GVW.
I have upgraded the springs and LRE4000 bushing to match the 7000 lb axels. overkill maybe. but I am pretty hard on the rig dirt roads and dry camping etc and have not been disappointed.
from 2006 to 2007 the Lippert frame basically stayed the same
from what I could get out of Keystone. Difficult to tell...
Cheers
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I understand the difference in axel weight ratings. Over the last 15 years I have had to replace two. I'm not in need of axel or suspension upgrade. I'm just curious what the new Dexter Heavy Duty axel has that would cost $2k a piece. Hoping someone who was at the Rally could enlighten me.
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09-17-2021, 07:38 AM
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Montana Master
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I believe that I read somewhere, maybe on here or the Mor/ryde site that the Mor/ryde 3000 Equalizer give 3 inches suspension travel, the 4000 gives 4 inches, while the IS gives 5+ inches of travel.
So with a 3000 equalizer and 3 inches of travel I don't see how shocks good really do much with such limited travel.
Now I could be all wet and if so disregard.
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2018 Chevy 3500HD High Country DRW 4X4 Crew Cab w/Duramax/Allison, Formally 2010 Montana 2955RL, Now Loaded 2016 SOB, Mor/ryde IS, Disc Brakes & Pin Box, Comfort Ride Hitch, Sailun 17.5 Tires.
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09-17-2021, 09:17 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2018
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I had 2 springs break on 2 different occasions. Axle tag indicates 6,000 pound limit. Also had severe tire wear on inside of all 4 tires.
Discovered that Keystone used 2,500 pound springs (to save a few $). Replaced all 4 springs to 3,000 pound. No tire wear issues anymore. So far so good!
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