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05-12-2009, 01:07 PM
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Montana Master
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M.O.C. #8693
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Canada vs. USA door sticker ratings
Is there a difference between the Canadian sticker weight values and the American sticker weight values for the same TV's? It would be interesting to get some values to compare. Values in pounds will minimize confusion. I'll go first:
Canada GMC 2007 New Sierra 3500 HD, DRW Crew Cab Long Box GVWR 11,400, FAWR 4800, RAWR 8200
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05-12-2009, 07:09 PM
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Montana Master
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USA 2006 Ford F-250 4x4 SRW Crew Cab, Long Box, 3.73(diff, I think) - GVWR 10000, FAWR 5600, RAWR 6100
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05-13-2009, 12:46 AM
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Montana Master
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The weights that are on the door sticker are in U.S pounds. If the vehicle is purchased in Canada the door sticker has a conversion weight in Kg. also.
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05-13-2009, 01:16 AM
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Montana Master
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Be aware: The WP's will tell you that those numbers were handed to Moses on stone tablets and if you exceed any of them by 5 lbs, your other half will run off with the ice man, your kids will have warts, and your vehicle will collapse on the Santa Monica Fwy at 3:30 PM.
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05-13-2009, 04:29 AM
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Montana Master
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I am a bit confused here as to what we are trying to attain? As an example the Ford Super Duties are built in Kentucky for both Canada and U.S.A so I do not thing that the sticker would be difference in weights other than in kgs. The only thing that may change it, is Canadian Safety Standards and the Metric system. I'll get my numbers off my 350 tonight though to see if there is any difference. Ellis
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05-13-2009, 06:59 AM
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Montana Master
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M.O.C. #8693
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I suppose I was less than clear. I'm told this happens often...
I hope that Americans and Canadians will put their numbers up for all to see and compare to their own TV ratings.
An example difference has been reported on another MOC thread: the Dexter axle is rated for 6,000 lbs. in Canada, 7,000 lbs. in the USA, which reportedly has to do with the CSA rating it differently than whatever body governs USA ratings.
I think that knowing how the numbers vary will give everybody a way to evaluate the importance of the numbers in their own situations. Trucks made for export probably get different stickers along with other equipment differences like DRL's.
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05-13-2009, 08:03 AM
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Montana Master
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That doors sticker is for that individual truck. My 08 Ford says Front axle 6K, Rear 9K, GVWR 13K CC 4268. However a truck that looks just like it may read different depending on the options...
As for the door sticker and what it says. It is mandated by.. "Federal Motor Vehicle Standads & regulations.. US Department of Transportation.. National Highway traffic safety administration..Safety Assurance.. Office of Vehicle safety Compliance" That is all one Federal Agency .. But it means nothing and they just put it on there for fun and to scare us.!!!!!!
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05-13-2009, 08:53 AM
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Montana Master
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Rich, why do they not put them on the large Volvos, Petes, KW's And Sterlings? I drove the big ones for 40+ years and rarely if ever saw one. And my weights ranged from 18,000 to 200,000 lbs. Lengths from 18' to 150'.(bridge beams.) :-)
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05-13-2009, 09:14 AM
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Montana Master
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M.O.C. #6575
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2004 GMC Sierra 2500 HD D/A Extended Cab
GVWR 9200
GAWR FRT 4670
GAWR RR 6084
Cargo weight slightly over 2800 pounds. My remember failed me on that one!
My door sticker simply states the vehicle conforms to all US Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards at the time of manufacture.
NHTSA? They're a joke. Same folks that allow Tireco to import those POS Mission tires and quietly remove them from the market and issue new ones with a name change without a recall. Same folks who approved that little sheet metal band aid to try to contain a fridge fire instead of making Dometic recall and repair the defective units. The other Federal agencies, well, I won't even comment on them, as that would dive into politics.
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05-13-2009, 10:28 AM
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Montana Fan
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My '06 reads
GVWR 4173kg = 9200lbs
Front axle 2118kg = 4670lbs
Rear axle 2670kg = 6084lbs
Tire pres front 380kpa = 55psi
Tire pres rear 550kpa = 80psi
Spare same as rear
245-75r-16 tires
MY trucks CCC 1137kg = 2507lbs. it seems my truck weighs 6693lbs...... (9200 - 2507) not!
Fully loaded with me, DW, (we are not big people) full fuel, fiver hitch, bed liner, toolbox full of "stuff" (the box is going on a diet!) and no pin weight, weighs 7590lbs, leaving about 1600lbs for pin weight to stay within the trucks GVWR.
My truck was built in Michigan, I think (that sticker's gone) at a Pontiac plant Dec '05 and has a CSA sticker on the doorpost.
Peter
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05-13-2009, 11:43 AM
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Montana Master
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by Sinterior
My '06 reads
GVWR 4173kg = 9200lbs
Front axle 2118kg = 4670lbs
Rear axle 2670kg = 6084lbs
Tire pres front 380kpa = 55psi
Tire pres rear 550kpa = 80psi
Spare same as rear
245-75r-16 tires
MY trucks CCC 1137kg = 2507lbs. it seems my truck weighs 6693lbs...... (9200 - 2507) not!
Fully loaded with me, DW, (we are not big people) full fuel, fiver hitch, bed liner, toolbox full of "stuff" (the box is going on a diet!) and no pin weight, weighs 7590lbs, leaving about 1600lbs for pin weight to stay within the trucks GVWR.
My truck was built in Michigan, I think (that sticker's gone) at a Pontiac plant Dec '05 and has a CSA sticker on the doorpost.
Peter
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That gets my curiosity up. Looks like you have the same truck I have, only 06 Chevy instead of 04 GMC. I wouldn't have thought there was any difference between the two. I know the weight for passengers and cargo on mine was over 2800 lbs. Just can't remember the exact figure. I'll double check that tomorrow. GM only had one rear gear for the D/A setup, and that was the 3.73:1 Eaton 11.5" gear, so it can't be that. Wonder what the difference is?
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05-13-2009, 01:21 PM
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Montana Master
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M.O.C. #8693
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I suppose I was less than clear. I'm told this happens often...
I hope that Americans and Canadians will put their numbers up for all to see and compare to their own TV ratings.
An example difference has been reported on another MOC thread: the Dexter axle is rated for 6,000 lbs. in Canada, 7,000 lbs. in the USA, which reportedly has to do with the CSA rating it differently than whatever body governs USA ratings.
I think that knowing how the numbers vary will give everybody a way to evaluate the importance of the numbers in their own situations. Trucks made for export probably get different stickers along with other equipment differences like DRL's.
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05-13-2009, 03:22 PM
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Montana Master
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by KathyandDave
Is there a difference between the Canadian sticker weight values and the American sticker weight values for the same TV's? It would be interesting to get some values to compare. Values in pounds will minimize confusion. I'll go first:
Canada GMC 2007 New Sierra 3500 HD, DRW Crew Cab Long Box GVWR 11,400, FAWR 4800, RAWR 8200
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My 07 Classic D/A dually CC has the same numbers.
I fail to comprehend what some posters don't understand. If your GVWR is 10,000 and the cargo capacity off the sticker is 2,500...your truck weighs 7,500...period. That's as it came from the factory, anything you add permanently (bed liner, bigger fuel tank, tonneau cover, etc) reduces that capacity, as does anything temporary you add (hitch, passengers, tools, cargo, etc).
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05-13-2009, 03:26 PM
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Montana Master
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M.O.C. #6575
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by TLightning
Quote:
quote:Originally posted by KathyandDave
Is there a difference between the Canadian sticker weight values and the American sticker weight values for the same TV's? It would be interesting to get some values to compare. Values in pounds will minimize confusion. I'll go first:
Canada GMC 2007 New Sierra 3500 HD, DRW Crew Cab Long Box GVWR 11,400, FAWR 4800, RAWR 8200
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My 07 Classic D/A dually CC has the same numbers.
I fail to comprehend what some posters don't understand. If your GVWR is 10,000 and the cargo capacity off the sticker is 2,500...your truck weighs 7,500...period. That's as it came from the factory, anything you add permanently (bed liner, bigger fuel tank, tonneau cover, etc) reduces that capacity, as does anything temporary you add (hitch, passengers, tools, cargo, etc).
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So you think they weigh each one before placing that sticker on them? Just curious what you mean. I really have had my doubts they weighed each individual vehicle.
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05-13-2009, 09:03 PM
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Montana Fan
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Will, what differences do you mean? The numbers pretty much speak for themselves. My truck is the LT, which I'm told weighs more than the others.
Peter
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05-13-2009, 09:04 PM
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Montana Fan
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p.s. mine is a 4X4
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05-13-2009, 09:08 PM
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Montana Fan
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I also have to say......I'm having one H*LL of a time finding a Chev/GMC D/A dually with the LBZ diesel.
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05-14-2009, 02:59 AM
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Montana Master
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by KathyandDave
An example difference has been reported on another MOC thread: the Dexter axle is rated for 6,000 lbs. in Canada, 7,000 lbs. in the USA,
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Just to clarify, that is not exactly what I said. What I said is that I was told that the 7000 lb Dexter axle assembly is not rated for a full 7000 lb in Canada. I think that this is the reason that the GVWR shown for some Montanas is less than you would expect for two 7000 lb axles.
If you look at the Dexter published data for their axles, the 6000 lb axle is clearly stated to be CSA approved for 6000 lb. The equivalent statement for the 7000 lb axle is just not given.
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05-14-2009, 03:40 AM
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Montana Master
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Bob..You would have to read those standards to find out why the stickers are placed there and which trucks they are on and why. these tucks are Non Commercial trucks. When they are used for commercial purposes different rules apply. Big trucks used for commercial purposes fall under different standards. Don't know if they weigh each truck.I will ask one of our Many Ford friends IF I can find anyone still employed. My guess is that the stickers are computer generated based on the computer build data for that particular truck.I know that my truck was weighed because the weight was on the shipping bill of the transport company. Remember now that if the US approval is on the product they meet the MIMIMUM standards. If you need to know what the DOT standards are for car/truck, Camper tires you would have to look up the standards and read them.
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05-14-2009, 04:18 AM
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Montana Master
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by Sinterior
Will, what differences do you mean? The numbers pretty much speak for themselves. My truck is the LT, which I'm told weighs more than the others.
Peter
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Cargo capacity....mine is 300 more...I suppose it is the LT model difference as mine is the SB 4 X 4 also. I had thought the GMC and Chevy would be the same.
BTW, I've searched some here for a Chevy or GM 3500 D/A dually. They're hard to come by. Our warranty will expire in October. These diesels are too expensive to drive without a warranty.
And guys, in spite of my belief that the 2500's can be "adjusted" to carry more weight, I would strongly recommend if you're buying a truck to tow a fifth wheel with, go ahead and get at least the one ton SRW. Most folks end up going to a bigger fiver sometime later.
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