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05-11-2007, 07:40 AM
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Montana Fan
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M.O.C. #2332
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Which do you prefer? V10 Ford or Dodge Hemi?
Just starting to look around and wonder how you like your trucks? I really don't want to get a diesel. Thanks, Mike
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05-11-2007, 09:20 AM
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Montana Master
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Location: North Ridgeville
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M.O.C. #2839
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Well I have the 05 Ford F-350 V-10 and use it to pull a well loaded 06 3400. This is NOT a Diesel vs Gasser discussion. This winter we pulled it about 6500 miles on all kinds of roads in varing conditions from just about sea level to @ 8000 feet. Level roads, gently rolling hills to 9 1/2 % grades. It pulled the 3400 without complaint in all conditions. Our MPG was better in the SW for whatever reason averaging better than 10MPG towing, 14 to 15 (highway) not towing, Now we got like 5mpg on the 9 1/2 % grade and 14MPG on some very level highway in N.M.Here in the mid west we average 7 to 8.5 MPG towing. We are very satisfied with our V-10 and I will confess it has performed better than we expected.I will also admit that IF we get another truck it will be a Diesel because our usage has changed,, However if we decide to keep the V-10 we will be completly satisfied.
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05-11-2007, 10:35 AM
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Montana Fan
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I have a 2003 Dodge diesel 1Ton 2wheel drive that I absolutely love. We put 7400 miles on it this winter down to Arizona (various places)and back. I calculated our mileage overall (not by the computer) at 14.4. We pull a 2955 Montana. With 55,000 miles I have had no problems with it at all and have adequate power etc. without modifying it beyond a BD exhaust brake. I LOVE this truck!
Bob
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05-11-2007, 11:50 AM
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Montana Master
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We started fulltiming with a 1999 Ford F350 SRW V10. It did a very credible job including towing I-70 in Colorado, west to east, up and over Vail Pass and through the Eisenhower Tunnel at over 11,000 feet. My mileage was not as good as Rich's. We averaged 8.2 towing (overall). Solo, highway was about 13 with 11-12 city. The truck used no oil at all. Always on the full mark without oil addition.
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05-11-2007, 01:21 PM
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Montana Fan
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If you are planning on using it as a tow vehicle to pull any kind of weight you should stay with a v-10 Dodge Or Ford. I think you would work that Hemi pretty hard pulling any of the Montana models.Good luck, Roman
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05-11-2007, 02:27 PM
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Montana Master
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I'd check the GCWRs for both of them. Chevy no longer makes the 8.1, but even though they have tweaked the 6.0 to up over 350 hp, the GCWR is down from the 8.1. It would seem to me that the V10 would have a higher GCWR than the Hemi.
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05-11-2007, 02:29 PM
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Montana Master
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Check the torque rating on both these engines. The Ford V10 has 450 Ft pounds. That is what my 95 diesel made and a lot more than the Dodge Hemi gasser makes. I owned 3 diesels and loved the first two 7.3 PSDS. My 04 6.0 was a flat out lemon and I do love Fords so I took a leap of faith and ordered my 05 F350 V10. So far I love the thing and I plan to keep it at least another 5 years. After that I will look at what is available and if there is a diesel on the market that fits my needs, I may go back to a diesel but right now it feels so nice to start my truck at 6 in the morning and not wake up all my neighbors.
The V10 has the same combined rating as a PSD and has a higher payload than the PSD. Fiver pinweight is payload so a V10 SRW will legally tow a larger Fiver than a PSD SRW.
The payload of an 08 F350 PSD SRW like mine is 3042 pounds.
My payload is 3780 pounds, over 700 pounds more. My Montana loaded up with the washer/dryer up front has a 2600 pound pin weight. Add the hitch weight, tool box, two mutts, and Wifey and I and we would overload the 08 PSD SRW. Glad I have the V10 to stay legal with SRW.
I don't want a duallie and because I have a gas V10, I don't need one.
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05-11-2007, 03:26 PM
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Montana Master
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Wrenchtraveller, two weeks ago I drove a 2008 F350 SRW Crewcab Shortbed PSD Lariat fully loaded with just about every bell and whistle. I checked the sticker on the pillar. That one had a payload of 3150. Fewer options would increase the payload but it still wouldn't reach the 3780 on yours. I'll still take the diesel. But this thread is not diesel vs gas per the originator, anyhow.
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05-11-2007, 09:18 PM
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Montana Master
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Steve,
Pretty dangerous going out there and driving a 08 .
I looked at a few but wouldn't let them talk me into driving one .
J&D
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05-12-2007, 02:18 AM
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Montana Master
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REMINDER..The poster asked a question about gas motors..V-10 or Hemi... Can we answer his question???? I will also add that we have used NO oil what-so-ever nor xmittion fluid. I was unaware that GM no longer makes the 8.1 so if the choice is a NEW GAS truck the Ford V-10 would be my recommendation. Witout discussing the merits of a Diesel we give the Ford V-10, in terms of a GAs MOTOR an A+.
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05-12-2007, 03:28 AM
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Montana Master
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M.O.C. #4890
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Back on topic, the only Fiver I have seen pulled by a gas Dodge Hemi was a Cougar. Nice folks from Florida and when I asked him how he liked the Cougar, he said he did and he was looking at Montanas and felt they were a little heavy for his Hemi.
V10s pulling Montanas are pretty rare but Richfaa and I are happy with ours and he does pull a 3400 and I load my 2955RL up to 12300 pounds and my truck up to 8500 so my combined weight is around 20800 and the V10 pulls it well. Runs cool and uses no oil. Mileage is decent for a gas engine.
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05-12-2007, 05:23 AM
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Montana Fan
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M.O.C. #2332
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I appreciate all the responses and opinions! The information has been very helpful! - Thanks, Mike
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05-12-2007, 02:58 PM
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Montana Fan
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I agree with Rich and Don. The tow ratings listed by the Mfgs favor the Ford over the Dodge. The Hemi is a great motor but not for this application (it makes its power through high RPMs)(the Ford makes 457lb/ft @ 2000RPM). I may be biased by the new '08 F350 sitting in my drive.......Nah, it is the better tow motor. Bob
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05-13-2007, 02:38 AM
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Montana Master
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With the 4:30 diff we are running @x2100 RPM at 65MPH..right at the power point.
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05-13-2007, 03:32 AM
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Montana Master
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Staying on the gas TV subject. Read a Trailer Life pullout between a GMC 6. litre and the new Toyota with the 380 HP V8. This was pulling a tow behind trailer, half the weight of a Montana and much lower. The Toyota toasted the GMC in performance, no surprise there, but the surprise for me was the fuel economy, a grim 7 for the GM and only 8.2 for the Yota.
These were both new trucks and I am sure they will get a little better as they break in but it goes to show you, Ford knows how to build a great gas engine truck. Both Rich and I are getting better mileage with much bigger units. Way to go Ford.
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05-13-2007, 02:17 PM
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Montana Master
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Don,
Was it the new beefed up 6.0 or the old one? Since GM stopped making the 8.1, they have boosted the 6.0 to 353 hp and 373 ft/lbs of torque in the new model 07 Silverado.
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05-13-2007, 06:08 PM
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Montana Master
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I read this article a month ago and I can not recall the 6.0 specs. The Yota makes 380 HP and 400 ft pounds so even if the 6.0 is the new version, it is out powered.
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05-14-2007, 05:44 AM
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Seasoned Camper
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Location: Ottawa
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Here are some numbers from my 2006 Dodge Specigfications Guide.
RAM Quad Cab 2500 5.7L V8 auto 5, 410 axle
4X2
Payload: short box 3,190 lbs take away 90 lbs for a long box.
Max trailor wt. 11,250 lbs take away 100 lbs for a long box.
same truck with 4X4
Paylod: short box 2,800 lbs
Max trailor wt. 10,850 lbs
As for a 3500 they only show the gasser as a DRW long box
Payload 4,900 lbs
Max trailor wt. 10,250 lbs.
Hope this helps a bit.
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05-14-2007, 11:56 AM
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Montana Master
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You need the cubic inch's of the V 10
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05-14-2007, 02:30 PM
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Montana Master
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by Amps
Here are some numbers from my 2006 Dodge Specigfications Guide.
RAM Quad Cab 2500 5.7L V8 auto 5, 410 axle
4X2
Payload: short box 3,190 lbs take away 90 lbs for a long box.
Max trailor wt. 11,250 lbs take away 100 lbs for a long box.
same truck with 4X4
Paylod: short box 2,800 lbs
Max trailor wt. 10,850 lbs
As for a 3500 they only show the gasser as a DRW long box
Payload 4,900 lbs
Max trailor wt. 10,250 lbs.
Hope this helps a bit.
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When towing with a small gasser, GCWR is key. The old GM 6.0L was limited to 16,000. The new one is up to 18,500. I have an 06 Dodge brochure, it shows 17,000 as the highest GCWR for the 5.7.
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