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Old 10-05-2009, 03:00 AM   #101
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We will be at the service center later today. I will take the subject up with Darrell and the service center folks. There is also a "tell Keystone" on the keystoe web site that we ALL can use to inform Keystone...they do read it. I did ask on our factory tour if anyone at Montana checked the axles and bolts, etc when they came in the door from Dexter..the answer was no. Perhaps we should be sending our cards and letters to dexter in addition to reading the manual.
Good idea, Rich...I will do

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Old 10-05-2009, 02:26 PM   #102
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We are at Camp Keystone. There are 3 Montana's here, all MOC'ers. BKFST at Lux in the AM. Darrell and company will be at the door early and will tear into our 3400. They had it 4 days last time we were here and did a great job.
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Old 10-05-2009, 03:26 PM   #103
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It is a good idea to read all the manuals and all the stickers. Sometimes you may miss those pesky stickers...here's one you probably missed. I didn't see it in any of the Magic Chef manuals. Can you imagine what would happen if you didn't read the sticker?



What great advice from a sticker! Can't decide which checklist to put it on.
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Old 10-07-2009, 03:05 AM   #104
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A observation on the Mor Ryde IS suspension after @ 700 miles on interstate driving. we had always noted with the Mor Ryde pin box the camper moving around as the Mor Ryde pin box assorbed road shock. We now note that there is very, very little movement back there at all. At times we see no movement at all indicating that the IS system is adsorbing nearly all of the road shock.
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Old 10-07-2009, 04:25 AM   #105
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Wouldn't it be nice if the RV manufacturers would provide a service schedule booklet specific to each model that clearly spells out the service procedures and/or inspections that should be done and when. Such a service schedule comes with all cars and trucks. Instead they provide a bag of manuals many of which cover components which may not even be on the unit and leave it to each owner to figure which procedures apply to their model. For example I received booklets for two different makes of axle in my bag of goodies. Anyone not on this forum would have no knowledge of these potentialy dangerious tire and chassis problems particularly if they are not mechanically inclined.
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Old 10-07-2009, 05:10 AM   #106
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Actually my manuals, came in two different bags with duplication on some items, such as axles, appliances, inverters etc. (you have to verify what is physically loacted in your unit . Yes it would be nice to have a Maintenance book similar to the Automotive industry. This could include service procedure and frequencies, but I assume that takes administrative duties to set up, update etc. and all adds to cost of the unit. I would also like to see a parts book along with schmatics that is available for purchase either in electronic format or hard copy. Relating to other purchases of Ag. equipment, we also order the tech and parts manuals for future repairs and preventative Maint. Confusing and challenging. Maybe that is why we have a base of a one year warranty with most RV manufactures rather than a 3 year similar to the Automotive business. Some of us may not have the chance to use that RV very little in the first year so some items, systems, and appliances may never get the test till later on when the warranty is no longer valid.
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Old 10-07-2009, 05:58 AM   #107
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Actually my manuals, came in two different bags with duplication on some items, such as axles, appliances, inverters etc. (you have to verify what is physically loacted in your unit . Yes it would be nice to have a Maintenance book similar to the Automotive industry. This could include service procedure and frequencies, but I assume that takes administrative duties to set up, update etc. and all adds to cost of the unit. I would also like to see a parts book along with schmatics that is available for purchase either in electronic format or hard copy. Relating to other purchases of Ag. equipment, we also order the tech and parts manuals for future repairs and preventative Maint. Confusing and challenging. Maybe that is why we have a base of a one year warranty with most RV manufactures rather than a 3 year similar to the Automotive business. Some of us may not have the chance to use that RV very little in the first year so some items, systems, and appliances may never get the test till later on when the warranty is no longer valid.
We resemble that remark. We bought our truck and trailer a year before retiring and only had it our one time during the one year warranty. Then, 4 months after the warranty expired, we hit the road for Alaska. How's that for a shake down cruise? Fortunately, we had very few problems, and were able to fix them all for free (as in my labor) or very little cost.

As for the manual, I think cost would be pretty minimal, since most the units use the same components, and even when they differ (such as axle ratings) maintenance remains the same. I mentioned in another post that I would also like a list of components with manufacturer's name and model numbers. I would think this information would already be on a build sheet, so it shouldn't be difficult to provide.
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Old 10-07-2009, 06:31 AM   #108
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The best manual in the world would do no good if we did not read them.
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Old 10-07-2009, 12:22 PM   #109
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Thank to all. I check my U-Bolts nuts and found that most were some loosse on my 2008 3500RL. I towed about 7,000 miles this year. I would not check them if not for this forum. I jest found out about this site 2 weeks ago. What I see look good. Would like to get together with other Montana owners neer Hershey PA.

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Old 11-10-2010, 09:07 AM   #110
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Just took delivery 4 days ago of a 2011 3465SA and, in doing the normal checks when we got it home, found that ALL of the spring hanger u-bolts were at 40# or less. Needless to say, they are now at 60# & ready for the run to Arizona in January.

Point is: even when new, don't assume anything...!
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Old 11-10-2010, 09:38 AM   #111
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Just took delivery 4 days ago of a 2011 3465SA and, in doing the normal checks when we got it home, found that ALL of the spring hanger u-bolts were at 40# or less. Needless to say, they are now at 60# & ready for the run to Arizona in January.

Point is: even when new, don't assume anything...!
Same here. Picked up the Monty September 27th. After the first good run, about 5 hours towing, torqued them all to 60.

Oh and Tucson, Az for us. If all goes well, hope to leave December 26th. I'll wave if I see you
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Old 11-10-2010, 01:38 PM   #112
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How many different size nut & u-bolt sizes are there? Had our 2011 2955 in to the dealer this fall to fix a number of things. Asked them to check the torque on the u-bolts and even gave them the numbers I got from the manual, 1/2 inch @ 60 lbs or 9/16 @95 lbs. The correction note said that u-bolts were checked and met specs, 3/4 inch @ 120 lbs. I questioned the dealer on this and was told that these are the specs for the u-bolts on my unit. I,m confused as everyone on this topic seems to be using 60 lbs torque. Am I the only owner of a Monty that does not have 1/2 inch u-bolts? I guess I had better get under & check my bolt size. Just checked the manual, and 5/8 in u-bolts are torqued to a max. of 120. DO they have 3/4 inch nut?
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Old 11-10-2010, 02:43 PM   #113
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I have a 2010 2955 and I can tell you it does not have 3/4 in U-Bolts (might be 3/4" nuts). I would really question your Dealer, if they really torqued them to 120 lbs, they better order you new U-Bolts as that would have grossly over stressed them.
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Old 11-10-2010, 03:02 PM   #114
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I guess I was not too clear in my first post. I mistakenly typed 3/4 inch u-bolt instead of 5/8 inch. I have assumed that my rig must have 5/8 inch u bolts since they are torqued to 120 lbs according to Dexters manual. I was wondering if 5/8 inch u-bolts have a 3/4 inch nut. I'm going to go under the rig to check this out for the reasons you mentioned. If they are not 5/8 inch then they would be way over stressed!
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Old 11-10-2010, 06:54 PM   #115
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Normally a 5/8 inch u-bolt will have a long nut that accepts a 15/16 inch wrench. I doubt very much that they are 5/8 as these would be on 10,000 lb axles, not 7,000 lb.
The 1/2 fine thread u-bolts are bolted with a nut that takes a 3/4 inch wrench which are found on the 7,000 lb axles.
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I think I remember someone saying Montana (actually Lippert?) increased the u-bolt size to 5/8 and are using them flattened at the axle contact.
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Old 11-12-2010, 12:52 PM   #117
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Well.... I got under our Montana and the u-bolts are 1/2 inch. Dexter says 70 ft. lbs. max, dealer torqued them to 120 ft/ lbs. when I asked them to check the torque. After lengthy discussion with dealer about the importance of proper torquing (where the dealer got their info I don't know) they have agreed to replace the u-bolts and torque to Dexter specs. I seems that ya gotta double check everything to make sure it's done right this day and age.
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Old 11-18-2010, 03:00 AM   #118
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i decided to recheck my u bolts because so much talk about loose bolts on this forum. check 1st. ,2nd.,3rd., wheel and i was thinking just wasting my time no so the 4th. one was loose. i had checked them back in the spring. one came loose after about 8000 miles this summer.
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Old 11-18-2010, 03:13 AM   #119
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I just did my yearly check on the u bolts and found a couple of them loose. The "nuts" are 3/4 inch on my 2006 3400RL. I have 6000 lb axles, so it seems to be mixed bag on what we might have underneath?
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I just did my yearly check on the u bolts and found a couple of them loose. The "nuts" are 3/4 inch on my 2006 3400RL. I have 6000 lb axles, so it seems to be mixed bag on what we might have underneath?
Don't confuse the physical nut size with thread size. Most people refer to the bolts by their thread size, which in most cases is 1/2 inch. You are right in saying it takes a 3/4 socket to tighten the nuts.
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