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Old 09-19-2021, 07:16 AM   #1
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2022 F350 SRW Short Bed

I’m about to purchase a 2022 F350 SRW short bed to pull my new 2021 3121RL.
First time RVer. The RV dealer ( family owned/operated dealer ) mentioned to me that with the curved corners on my trailer, I probably wouldn’t need a slider hitch. He said I shouldn’t ever be needing to do a 90 degree turn and that this Montana should be able to be turned safely without a slider hitch despite the short bed.
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I’m about to purchase a 2022 F350 SRW short bed to pull my new 2021 3121RL.
First time RVer. The RV dealer ( family owned/operated dealer ) mentioned to me that with the curved corners on my trailer, I probably wouldn’t need a slider hitch. He said I shouldn’t ever be needing to do a 90 degree turn and that this Montana should be able to be turned safely without a slider hitch despite the short bed.
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This should be a fun thread.

I agree , although I have towed now for several years with the Andersen hitch. Two different fifth wheels ,two different short bed trucks . Previous truck was the Ford Superduty 350 short bed , towed several years with an older Montana fifth wheel, not nearly the rounded front corners of the new ones, no issues , although at that time had a manual slider that I never used the slider.

Present truck Ram 3500 short bed , have towed the Montana ,and SOB with a much more rounded front corner ,both with the Andersen without issue. Ram trucks has the shortest of the three short beds , Ford being the longest . Anyway good luck with your choice .

My son also has a 2022 Ford Superduty 350 short bed diesel on order , I will also guide him into a Andersen. If I had any concern whatsoever I would not , last thing I want him to do is damage a new truck or fifth wheel .
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Probably is the operative word.
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I agree and have been doing it for years.
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Old 09-19-2021, 11:16 AM   #5
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Probably is the operative word.
As with many things , you either tow with a automatic slider or a long bed ???
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You can jackknife any combination if you turn tight enough. You can certainly jackknife a short bed easier. You can get by with a non slider in a short bed IF and that is a BIG IF you are extremely diligent in your maneuvering. You should be extremely diligent in maneuvering any combination. The best way to lessen your chances of jacking a short bed is an auto slider. If you get a manual slider there will be times that you think you should use it but either you’ll be too lazy or perhaps it’s raining, or sometimes you may find that it won’t slide due to being in a bind due to angle between truck and trailer. Better to make several stabs at backing in rather than make anywhere close to a 90* turn, which puts extreme stress on your trailer suspension, tires, and frame. I suspect that many of the suspension and tire failures you read about here have been initiated by over stressing them in backing maneuvers. I had a short bed with a manual slider for about 15 years and have now had an Andersen for 3 years. While I am EXTREMELY DILIGENT in my maneuvers, I know I am just one distracted moment away from an expensive repair. What level of risk you are comfortable with should drive your decision.
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Your RV dealer sounds like that mortgage commercial: "we can probably afford this house". Those probably aren't killer bees, you can probably beat Dave Bautista, those are probably dolphins, etc.
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Old 09-20-2021, 09:30 AM   #8
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Over 11 years of full timing and well over 100,000 miles and have needed my slider hitch at least a dozen times. It all depends on what you are planning on doing. We worked for fish and wildlife in the winter and got our rig into many places originally built for smaller rigs. We also go stuck in behind a major accident once on a two lane road and had the cop tell me we would have to wait hours since we couldn't "turn that thing around here". Big surprised look on his face when I did it. We wouldn't pull either of our Montana's, not even the smaller one, without our Pullrite.
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First 5th. wheel from the early 2000's bought a slider.....used it only once in 10 years and that was with a Thor Jazz trailer with the old style squared off cap. Now with these newer trailers you can turn that thing literally 90 degrees without hitting your truck cab. I don't miss the heavy hitch in my bed. Just don't be this guy:

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Old 09-20-2021, 11:55 AM   #11
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Present truck Ram 3500 short bed , have towed the Montana ,and SOB with a much more rounded front corner ,both with the Andersen without issue. Ram trucks has the shortest of the three short beds , Ford being the longest . Anyway good luck with your choice .

... .
Actually, as of 2020+ Chevy is now the longest bed out there:

Chevy - 82.3"
Ford - 80.2"
Ram - 76.3"

Good or bad, the other thing that the 2020+ Chevy's have is that the gooseneck ball (if you're using something like an Andersen, B&W, Pullrite (3900)) is about a 2" behind the centerline of the axle, which gives you a little more clearance.

Here's a pic of our 2020 3500 SRW totally jackknifed (for illustration only). We have a Pullrite 3900. I do not believe that you can get to this point with a Ford, and for sure, not a Ram.

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WOW!

That is IMPRESSIVE! My ram definitely would be destroyed by a jacknife like that.



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Actually, as of 2020+ Chevy is now the longest bed out there:

Chevy - 82.3"
Ford - 80.2"
Ram - 76.3"

Good or bad, the other thing that the 2020+ Chevy's have is that the gooseneck ball (if you're using something like an Andersen, B&W, Pullrite (3900)) is about a 2" behind the centerline of the axle, which gives you a little more clearance.

Here's a pic of our 2020 3500 SRW totally jackknifed (for illustration only). We have a Pullrite 3900. I do not believe that you can get to this point with a Ford, and for sure, not a Ram.

https://www.montanaowners.com/forums...1&d=1632156649

https://www.montanaowners.com/forums...1&d=1632156883
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Old 09-20-2021, 01:51 PM   #13
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That is IMPRESSIVE! My ram definitely would be destroyed by a jacknife like that.
Again, this is NOT something that I do on a regular basis, if at all. But, I wanted to know for sure that it would clear without hitting.

But, there is a big however: While it did make it to this point, it has to be on almost FLAT ground. If there was any elevation change between the truck and the trailer, you could and WOULD still hit the cab when you were backing if you were not paying attention.

It was important for me that I have a very tight turning radius too. We have a situation in our driveway, that in order to get turned around, I have to the have the cab of the truck right at the nose of the camper. IT IS VERY TIGHT. If we didn't have clearance, I could still turn around, but I would have to do it with several adjustments forward and backward, and I would have to pay attention not to hit the cab. I don't want one more thing to worry about when I'm backing or turning...
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Old 09-20-2021, 02:31 PM   #14
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I am a software tester. When the software developers say "there will be no impact on (this or that)" that is ALWAYS where the problems happen. Same is true with any RV salesman. When they say, "You'll have not problems with (this or that)...." do you REALLY believe them?

About jack knifing. If you travel. I mean.... if you travel with your camper, and you visit different states, different campgrounds, different styles of camping, different locations, some familiar, some brand new .... you will eventually hit a campsite that requires a jack knife procedure to get into the campsite. Just like your standard 35 foot power cord will not be enough, nor will simply 10 feet of sewer hose. (IF) you travel, it will happen!
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I am a software tester. When the software developers say "there will be no impact on (this or that)" that is ALWAYS where the problems happen. Same is true with any RV salesman. When they say, "You'll have not problems with (this or that)...." do you REALLY believe them?

About jack knifing. If you travel. I mean.... if you travel with your camper, and you visit different states, different campgrounds, different styles of camping, different locations, some familiar, some brand new .... you will eventually hit a campsite that requires a jack knife procedure to get into the campsite. Just like your standard 35 foot power cord will not be enough, nor will simply 10 feet of sewer hose. (IF) you travel, it will happen!
LOL. I don't disagree one bit! And, that's why I want either an automatic hitch, or clearance without thinking. If I have to pay attention and stop before crashing, or if I have to get out of the truck and engage "safe" mode on the hitch, then it's a matter of time before something "bad" happens, when you forget or don't realize that you are almost there...
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When I had my Curt slider I had to us it a couple of time do to very tight area. Sense I’ve had my Companion I haven’t had to slide it do to how I had the head set just behind the axle. I’ve re-adjusted it to just in front of the axle for a better ride and shift some weight forward but this mite cause me to have to slide depending on the terrain.
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There are 3 bed lengths, 8', 6.5 and 5'. Are you referring to the 6.5' bed (standard) or 5' bed (short)? If you mean the 6.5' bed, you should be OK 95% of the time. It's that 5% that can give you problems. Just be careful, especially when backing into a tight space.

Also, be aware of "tail swing", when you are driving forward and turn right, the trailer tail also swings right.
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There are 3 bed lengths, 8', 6.5 and 5'. ....
Are there any HD (25/35/4500) trucks that have a 5' bed?

I can't even imagine how a 1/2 ton truck could pull a Montana, even the smallest one.


QUOTE=StageCoachDriver;1234605]...

Also, be aware of "tail swing", when you are driving forward and turn right, the trailer tail also swings right.[/QUOTE]

This is an EXCELLENT point. I just about biffed the rear of our trailer last trip out turning it our pull thru site. I was worried about the front of the truck, and totally forgot about the rear of trailer!! Just about hit a parked car, that was on edge of the road, probably even in the road slightly...
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This should be a fun thread.

I agree , although I have towed now for several years with the Andersen hitch. Two different fifth wheels ,two different short bed trucks . Previous truck was the Ford Superduty 350 short bed , towed several years with an older Montana fifth wheel, not nearly the rounded front corners of the new ones, no issues , although at that time had a manual slider that I never used the slider.

Present truck Ram 3500 short bed , have towed the Montana ,and SOB with a much more rounded front corner ,both with the Andersen without issue. Ram trucks has the shortest of the three short beds , Ford being the longest . Anyway good luck with your choice .

My son also has a 2022 Ford Superduty 350 short bed diesel on order , I will also guide him into a Andersen. If I had any concern whatsoever I would not , last thing I want him to do is damage a new truck or fifth wheel .
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My good friend has a Ram 3500 short bed and a 2019 Montana...after thousands of dollars he got his truck and front cap repaired from a tight turn. He heard the same "probably."
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