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Old 06-30-2008, 11:19 AM   #201
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.50/mile was only for the cost of transportation not the other extras such as food and campground fees. We pay for food whether we are at home or not and go out to eat twice a week at home. When traveling with the 5ver, if alone, most meals are at the campground. If we "motel it", the cost is about 2 times the cost of camping and all meals are outside.

Our decision will be based on how far we want to go. I usually travel 400 miles/day when towing but have done as much as 600. We only drive that far if it's a known route and we don't sight see.
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Old 06-30-2008, 11:40 AM   #202
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c214dick, Here are a few ideas, Door County Wisconsin, St Louis MO., Nashville Tn., Around Lake Michigan and Mackinaw Island. If you are really adventurous, and want to act as kids again, there is always the Wisconsin Dells.
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Old 06-30-2008, 12:04 PM   #203
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Good ideas. We could take a mud bath in Lake Delton.
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Old 07-01-2008, 02:14 PM   #204
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Holy Moley.. the doom and gloom I have been posting is nothing compaired to the newspapers and the evening news. We are now BEGINNING to feel the full impact of the high cost of energy.Now how about a little conflict with Iran..That could be the final blow. Oil just keeps going up and our economy as well as the econony of most nations plunges..These are ...really bad times....Is it just me??????
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Old 07-01-2008, 03:15 PM   #205
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Rich,
You are right!!!!!!
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Old 07-01-2008, 05:42 PM   #206
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Surely the inventory of fuel in the states and many other countries must be much more than a year ago. Why doesn't this cause the price of fuel to drop? Everyday it is something else...a problem in Nigeria, value of a dollar is less or as of late the possible invasion of Iran. Too much negative. I think I have heard on the news that the oil companies are making only 7% net profit, like that is low. I would think that would be super considering the total dollar volume in sales. I don't think Wal-Mart or some other stores are netting 7% on annual sales.
Do you think all the negatives may be created just to keep the price of oil high?
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Old 07-01-2008, 06:17 PM   #207
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The Saudi king today pretty much sealed his country's unwillingness to help in a rather blunt statement that is sure to stir up some anger against them. Basically, he pronounced that we (presumably us US consumers) just needed to get over it and get used to high gas prices and to leave Saudi Arabia alone (quit blaming them). That statement will surely convince millions of their best customers (U.S.) to become instantly sympathetic to the Saudi's terrible plight - NOT!

They need to be working with their best customers at this time. This type of attitude will inflame the American consumer that is being ripped by these high fuel prices. Our largest local paper, the Traverse City Record Eagle is doing a series of front page stories on individuals that are losing their homes and jobs. Can't remember the last time this was occurring.

Some are saying, "Well, history shows..." or "When this happened to the economy before...". There has NEVER been times like this. It is unprecedented. We are in the uncharted waters of a new age. This is why all the "experts" and "analysts" are missing the mark with such an unbelievable inaccuracy . (Remember way back in April when many "experts" were saying that gas prices would level off a 3.40/gal in mid-May, then start to drop?) These analysts have no base line to go by and they are taking a wild stab in the dark - and it is showing.

Is there anyone out there that believes ANY analyst/expert on their predictions on what the next 3-6 months will bring? I certainly don't. If you were to step back and look at the big picture and compare our headlines/economy from a year ago to what's being written in our newspapers today, you should be stunned (and alarmed) by what you are reading.
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Old 07-02-2008, 05:48 AM   #208
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:08 AM   #209
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The Gloom & Doom on the news is exaggerated. The folks in Washington have a full time job trying to make the other side look bad. Very little gets accomplished due to the animosity. Sure things could be much improved. Americans are tough, we'll get through this like we always do.

A TV program last night, showed the past 30 years of presidents & Senators saying; we are going to fix the oil and gasoline problem. Meanwhile they sit on their hands, as usual.
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Old 07-02-2008, 01:49 PM   #210
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Oil hit a new high today with no end in sight. Wait till this is reflected in the price of a gallon of fuel. We are on the road right now at 4.799 per gal of diesel. Used $132.67 of fuel today. I am thinking we are going to have to pack it in. This is too expensive for recreation.
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Old 07-02-2008, 04:08 PM   #211
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Al and I just returned from Cookeville TN, used $123.00 of gas in the Escort. If we had taken Tana it would have been 5 times that. We had to stay in motel rooms, cost of $325.00. Campgrounds?? go 4 nights at $35.00 each. We basically ate out every meal and not all of them were at cheap places, so, we figure we dropped a BUNCH more there than if we had Tana along for the ride. and we sure did not eat as healthy as we would have with our own food in Tana. The room in Cookeville for 2 nights, was awful. They actually gave us a small discount after I told the clerk that there were fleas in the room and that they did not come from my dogs. SIGHHHH

Al figures we spent about $600. for 4 nights and almost 5 days. That includes food. If we had taken Tana it would have been closer to $900.

Not sure what this says, cept that living is very very expensive these days.

One thing we did was travel a lot of back roads all the way down and all the way back. Some we never would have taken Tana on. NOOOOO way. We had a great time. Priceless, as they say! We surprised our friend, 3 couples showed up at their door, unannounced. It was worth every penney to see their faces. Hubby was literally in shock for hours! HAHA. Yep, good priceless fun, just lightened the pocket book about 600 worth!
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Old 07-02-2008, 04:19 PM   #212
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Carol, We have lived in our Montana for the last year. During this time we spent 5 days in my son's house in Phoenix and 2 nights in a hotel in Juneau, Alaska. Other than being WITH my son during knee surgery, and getting my driver's license renewed in Alaska, those were the worst days during this year. We have gotten so used to our Montana that the thought of sleeping elsewhere doesn't appeal to me at all. Of course, we can endure most anything, but that doesn't mean we like it. The other drawback is eating out so often, which, to me, would get very old real quick....

I know it costs more to tow the Monty around, but, in my mind, it's worth it.....
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Old 07-02-2008, 04:33 PM   #213
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I hear that!! exav8tr!!!

I am very comfy in Tana. We spent 3.5 months in her last summer, parked in the drive of the stick built while we could not live in the house. Gotta say, I was happy as a pig in mud!

But to spend an extra $300 or more for 4 days was just a wee bit more than we wanted to do. IF we could have stayed longer???

But, then again, we could not have taken Tana on some of the roads we took this time, we tried to make the best of a situation that was not really to our liking, eh???

But, Al and I both agreed, we are not likely to do any hotel/motels with dogs any time soon. Even if that means NOT attending an event. The hotel/motel thing was very painful.
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Old 07-02-2008, 04:35 PM   #214
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We have never counted the cost of food while on the road in the camper because we eat every day no mater if we are at home or in the Montana.However there is a lot of food on board this 3400 as we sit here in a C.G in PA. tonite we had Hamburgers, Potato's, salad, root beer. I don't know what that stuff cost but it cost something. Now eating out in resturants every day has got to be more expensive but it also cost to eat in the camper. We have been Rv'ing for over 20 years and we enjoy the experience. For us it is not a lifestyle or a way of life. It is just something we do..a small part of a very big picture.
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Old 07-02-2008, 05:05 PM   #215
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We are looking forward to our first camping outing since the NE rally at Gettysburg next week. We are going to Carter Caves, KY which is a grand total of 81 miles from the house. Campsite for two nights are a grand total of $48.00. No eating out, so by my calculations we will spend about $150.00 all told including food for a much needed weekend of relaxation. I believe that it will be worth it (particularly since our neighbors there will be Bill-n-Donna)!! Now, the Myrtle trip two weeks later is a different animal, but as I have said before, vacations with DW and DD's are priceless in my book!! We are still well within our recreation budget for the year since the fuel was budgeted at $5.00 per gallon. Purchasing a new (to us) stick house on the river has completely blown apart every other budget that we have prepared though. I can justify all the camping since it is below budget??? Oh well, as I have also said before, we only live once, haven't even calculated additional years to retirement due to the house swap (if and when we sell the current one), but evenings and weekends on the river will keep us content (when we are not camping!!) Sorry for the lengthy diatribe, but I will not let myself be discouraged!!!
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Old 07-03-2008, 02:40 AM   #216
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Unfortunately when we did our travel budget at the beginning of the year including a 20% increase in fuel would mean diesel should be costing us 4.02 per gallon..That did not work along with everything else. We are still within the travel budget but only because we severely cut back of our RV travel. I remember Bingo's travel budget when he posted it some time ago as as we do the very same thing and when you have a plan you can adapt to changing conditions.We being old fashioned we have the notion that our expenses can not exceed our income. That works for us..
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Old 07-03-2008, 03:43 AM   #217
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Bingo, I am of the same school as you. "I will not let myself be discouraged"! I guess that's why I don't have a budget plan or worry about the cost of fuel. We are lucky that we can eat where we want and go where we want. Having said that, we do eat out less, I don't enjoy eating out that much anyway; My DW is a great cook and after 39 years she knows what I like. We don't stay in fancy 5 star parks either, unless we receive some sort of discount. We have vowed to travel as long as our health remains in tact or our sons inheritance runs out, whichever comes first. There is alot of talk these days about "Doom & Gloom", some of it right here on this forum, I CHOOSE to ignore it. It would be very nice if folks would be a little more "upbeat" about life. As you know, the good Lord will provide sos I just ain't gonna worry bout it no more!!!
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Old 07-03-2008, 04:19 AM   #218
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Amen Phil!!!
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Old 07-03-2008, 05:04 AM   #219
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Doom & Gloom?? Well maybe, I like to think I am realistic.

The reality is that costs have gone up dramatically, food, fuel, everything.

The reality is we are on a limited budget, we cannot sell our house in this market, the Ford Mo Co retirement checks are still coming in .

Reality is we had some serious financial set backs lately, which took about 2 to 3 years of our travel $$, that figure was based on travel budgets of about 4 years ago.

Reality is we are re-examining all of our choices right now, including how we may use Tana in the future.

Reality is, we have no control over the ever shrinking dollar, the ever increasing fuel dollar.

Reality is, and you must face it, that that retirement check may stop coming in. OKKK, you may think the chances are remote, but, our experience and that of family on retirement checks is, well, it happens. Steel companies go out of business, retirement checks stop, can happen with auto companies too.

We don't eat out that much, had to these last 4 days, wowie, the food was too rich, not healthy, expensive, but, we had a GREAT time with our friends, priceless memories, thinner wallet, now back on the diet and honkered down in the stick built.

Reality is something you need to study and consider. My reality surely is not that of any other MOC member. My comments are based on my reality and concerns for the future. I have opinions about reality and head in the sand. I cannot change reality/future, but, I can try to not be a head in the sand person. But, again, that is my thing, eh???

Did anyone see where they are saying the stock market is now officially Bear?? Nope, cannot do a thing about it, and what does it mean to me?? To me it is a flag, I see it, what do I do about it?? Beats the *&^$@ out of me!
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Old 07-03-2008, 08:14 AM   #220
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It may be to much Doom and Gloom but fact is fact, things are out of control. When GM has the possiblity of going broke thing are really bad. And the problem is OIL,OIL,OIL,OIL. Our Country runs on Oil and unless we drill were every there is the possibility of Oil it will only get worse. Oh BTW Ford and Chrysler is in worse shape than GM. I can assure you things are slowing at a drastic pace, CNN just said average price of Gas $4.10 a gal. So we all know when Diesel price is posted it will be much more. You better write you Congress person now. Well we are canning Green beans this week. Hope everyone has fun on the 4th. GBY......
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