Journey with Confidence RV GPS App RV Trip Planner RV LIFE Campground Reviews RV Maintenance Take a Speed Test Free 7 Day Trial ×
 

Go Back   Montana Owners Club - Keystone Montana 5th Wheel Forum > MOC Technical Forums > Repairs & Service
Click Here to Login

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 08-09-2022, 09:35 PM   #21
Carl n Susan
Site Team
 
Carl n Susan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Carmichael - CA
Posts: 6,319
M.O.C. #4831
Quote:
Originally Posted by amyed View Post
My element reads 115V in full tank. 121V at new switch. water is cooler then it was. Any thoughts?
Did you ohm the element to see if it is inop?
 
__________________
Carl (n Susan)
There is more to life than fuel mileage.
2012 Montana 3700RL Big Sky Package towed by a 2015 Ford F350 6.7L PSD 4WD CC LWB

Carl n Susan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2022, 07:57 AM   #22
amyed
Established Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Livingston
Posts: 37
M.O.C. #25043
Not being an electrician I would not know how or why to do ohm test. I was told by other campers to check continuity and voltage. Water is not as hot as it used to be. Does the difference (121v /115v) tell why? I guess I'll go buy a new 1500w element.
amyed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2022, 09:17 AM   #23
AZ Traveler
Site Team
 
AZ Traveler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Oro Valley
Posts: 3,339
M.O.C. #20477
Might be the element or the thermastat. Does it heat normally on gas?
__________________
Zack and Donna plus Millie and Ranger
2018 3160RL

"Life is too short to stay indoors, enjoy the ride!"
AZ Traveler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2022, 09:22 AM   #24
Carl n Susan
Site Team
 
Carl n Susan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Carmichael - CA
Posts: 6,319
M.O.C. #4831
The voltage difference does not affect the water temperature. If you measured continuity of the element you measured the resistance in ohms. If it didn't read 1.0 (open, no continuity) it should be good.

What have you done that makes you think the water temp is cooler than before?
__________________
Carl (n Susan)
There is more to life than fuel mileage.
2012 Montana 3700RL Big Sky Package towed by a 2015 Ford F350 6.7L PSD 4WD CC LWB

Carl n Susan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2022, 03:03 PM   #25
amyed
Established Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Livingston
Posts: 37
M.O.C. #25043
Just doing dishes in the evening without any one taking a shower or any other water sport before hand. The water starts "hot/warm" for 20-30seconds then starts getting cool. By 2 minutes I turn on hot only and it is only warm/cold. Same happens with just the shower. We've been using propane all of the time for showers and do 2 shifts for the dishes
Water is plenty hot on gas
amyed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2022, 05:23 PM   #26
Carl n Susan
Site Team
 
Carl n Susan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Carmichael - CA
Posts: 6,319
M.O.C. #4831
It sure sounds like your electric side of the water heater is not working at all. It sure helps if you tell us the year and model of your Montana. The best idea is to put that info in your Signature which you can create via the User CP pull down in the second brown ribbon above.

There are two troubleshooting manuals in the Files section. They should give you a good start on finding the problem.

https://www.montanaowners.com/forums...?do=file&id=57
https://www.montanaowners.com/forums...?do=file&id=56

The most common problem is a burned out (due to being on with no water present) heating element. Second is the black rocker switch in the lower left corner being OFF or burned out.
__________________
Carl (n Susan)
There is more to life than fuel mileage.
2012 Montana 3700RL Big Sky Package towed by a 2015 Ford F350 6.7L PSD 4WD CC LWB

Carl n Susan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2022, 06:29 PM   #27
BB_TX
Montana Master
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: McKinney
Posts: 6,527
M.O.C. #6433
Quote:
Originally Posted by amyed View Post
Not being an electrician I would not know how or why to do ohm test. I was told by other campers to check continuity and voltage. Water is not as hot as it used to be. Does the difference (121v /115v) tell why? I guess I'll go buy a new 1500w element.
To check the element;
- unplug from shore power
- turn off generator if you have one
- remove the wires from the heating element
- set your meter to read ohms
- put one meter probe on one element screw and the other probe on the other screw
- meter should read 10-12 ohms
- if meter does not register something other than the default reading the element is bad (my default meter reading is 1 . for an open circuit)

Your element may be 1440 watts rather than 1500.
__________________
Bill & Patricia
BB_TX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-2022, 08:41 PM   #28
amyed
Established Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Livingston
Posts: 37
M.O.C. #25043
Well, I put in the new element. It did not give me very hot water. I started checking electric connections. I believe I may have caused my own problem. In the process of moving wires around I now have a very low voltage reading at the switch. Tomorrow I will see if there is a way to run new wires to the switch and element. wish me luck
amyed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2022, 08:35 AM   #29
BB_TX
Montana Master
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: McKinney
Posts: 6,527
M.O.C. #6433
Quote:
Originally Posted by amyed View Post
Well, I put in the new element. It did not give me very hot water. I started checking electric connections. I believe I may have caused my own problem. In the process of moving wires around I now have a very low voltage reading at the switch. Tomorrow I will see if there is a way to run new wires to the switch and element. wish me luck
There should not be a "new" way. The wiring should match the schematic shown in the manual.
__________________
Bill & Patricia
BB_TX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2022, 08:56 AM   #30
amyed
Established Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Livingston
Posts: 37
M.O.C. #25043
I believe I tugged the wire too much while putting new connectors on for the switch. (the old connectors were burnt) Can I have done damage to the wires that affected the voltage? I'm gonna wait a while before checking again. This is frying my brain.
amyed is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by Montana RV, Keystone RV Company or any of its affiliates. This is an independent, unofficial site.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:10 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.