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Old 03-15-2020, 01:09 PM   #1
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Well Lets Talk about it....the Virus Thing

Has the Corona virus thing caused anyone to change their Spring and Summer plans for this year? We are still good to go on or Spring and Summer outings. This year again we will be moving the Montana to a small isolated town in Northern Wisconsin. Not many people around, right on a nice river with lots of wild life and serenity.



Our governor in Wisconsin a couple of days ago closed all the K-12 schools, and this morning the Minnesota governor did the same thing. These are big decisions, affecting lots of young working families, but I really think it is the right thing to do fight this new enemy.



Its going to be an interesting 2020 for sure!
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Old 03-15-2020, 01:15 PM   #2
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History lesson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_f..._United_States
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Old 03-15-2020, 01:32 PM   #3
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You want to talk history look up the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918.
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Old 03-15-2020, 02:41 PM   #4
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I don’t understand the crazy buying going on out there. DW seems to be more worried about it than me. She went looking for a thermometer and could not find one. I haven’t seen or needed a thermometer for long time. I know we had them when the kids were young but no idea where they went to.

Went across town to the Randall’s near Sun City. Those retired folks out there are smarter than to fall for this bunker mentality hype. They are smart and know when to call Bravo Sierra on this stuff. Randalls will have fully stocked shelves and plenty of thermometers. NOPE! Shelves were wiped out and the racks were empty. The meat section was bare. The checkout line was 25 minutes long. I have never seen anything like it. My son in Houston said the supermarkets had kicked into hurricane prep rules - stop folks at the door and only let 10-15 people in at a time.

I don’t remember worrying about SARS or the H1N1 thing in 2009-10. I have no idea what was going around in February 1984, but some bug got me, DW and 2 kids at the time and it was the worst I have ever had. We were down for 3 days and time was a blur. I am looking forward to them hot and humid Texas summers.
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Old 03-15-2020, 03:20 PM   #5
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I cancel my camping trip at Myrtle beach y am from Québec.It is the only thing to Do too protect everybody
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Old 03-15-2020, 01:57 PM   #6
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history lesson #2: Liberty War Bond Parade in Philly in 1918. 200,000 turned out at the urging of public officials who knew about an outbreak at a nearby military facility that had 50 cases already of a flu that was already raging in Europe and that was sweeping through that facility that was processing returning personnel from Europe. Less than week later 12,000 were dead. That was just a tiny part of the Spanish flu. USA total estimated 100 million infected 500,000-600,000 dead. It's getting real folks.

We had hoped to start FTing this summer upon sale of our house.... Plans are in flux now. We are not taking anything for granted.
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Old 03-15-2020, 02:39 PM   #7
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history lesson #2: Liberty War Bond Parade in Philly in 1918. 200,000 turned out at the urging of public officials who knew about an outbreak at a nearby military facility that had 50 cases already of a flu that was already raging in Europe and that was sweeping through that facility that was process returning personnel from Europe. Less than week later 12,000 were dead. That was just a tiny part of the Spanish flu. USA total estimated 100 million infected 500,000-600,000 dead. It's getting real folks.

We had hoped to start FTing this summer upon sale of our house.... Plans are in flux now. We are not taking anything for granted.
It is real, but there is just one HUGE difference between Spanish Flu of 1918 and covid19.

Spanish flu victims (those who died) were typically 20-40 years of age, healthy part of the population. A world war was also going on at the time, which demanded the movement of large amounts of people.

Covid19 victims (those who die) typically are elderly or people with compromised immune systems. Its really more like a highly contagent version of the standard flu, which also kills thousands of immuno compromised humans each year. Precaution is necessary, but panic is not.
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McRod... True enough, but why take unnecessary chances. True we have better medicine today, but also true we have quite huge egos in play too. BUt panic? Not I, just stating facts and taking precautions. Hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes have nothing in common either except they are natural phenomenon but they all kill with dramatic style. That was the point. Yes COVID19 will probably turn out to be an extremely virulent form of flu... that does not mean we should not be taking it seriously.
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McRod... True enough, but why take unnecessary chances. True we have better medicine today, but also true we have quite huge egos in play too. BUt panic? Not I, just stating facts and taking precautions. Hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes have nothing in common either except they are natural phenomenon but they all kill with dramatic style. That was the point. Yes COVID19 will probably turn out to be an extremely virulent form of flu... that does not mean we should not be taking it seriously.
You said the same thing that I did.

"Precaution is necessary, but panic is not."
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It is real, but there is just one HUGE difference between Spanish Flu of 1918 and covid19.

Spanish flu victims (those who died) were typically 20-40 years of age, healthy part of the population. A world war was also going on at the time, which demanded the movement of large amounts of people.

Covid19 victims (those who die) typically are elderly or people with compromised immune systems. Its really more like a highly contagent version of the standard flu, which also kills thousands of immuno compromised humans each year. Precaution is necessary, but panic is not.
👍 couldn’t have said it better!
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Thank you for that history lesson. Very informative . If the new would only share is maybe there would be some toilet paper on the shelfs
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Old 03-15-2020, 01:18 PM   #12
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Not us. Our scheduled 16 Mar cruise has been cancelled, that's about it. Will finish up our Snowbird Season here in Florida in Mid April and head home to Lake Gaston NC. Three combat tours with my wife waiting at home has trained us to roll with the punches and take it a day at a time.
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Not buying into the hype of this knee jerk situation. Leaving Thursday for a long planned rv trip. Then to Colorado. Then another one after that on a western states/ Canada road trip.

Now talk about people not being cautious about the common flu and I get upset.
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Old 03-15-2020, 04:32 PM   #15
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The difference between the flu of 2009 and this one is 3%. Three percent die from this one and .1% from the flu. 59M were sick in 2009. If that many got this the death toll would be 1.7M and in the 70 year olds it would be 7%.
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Unless you are 70+ with underlying health issues I don't see a need to worry or drastically change your behavior. Hanging our in your RV in parks or particularly if boondocking you should be safe.

If the media reported more on the age and other medical issues of folks in the US that have died, most would feel safer.
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you mean underlying health issues like diabetes, tobacco related respiratory issues, bronchitis, poor diet and obesity... all common underlying health issues in this country. A lot of people fall into those categories.
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One thing that's not being talked about amoungst the folks who aren't too worried about surviving this is that of the people who were severly effected, but survived, now have lost 20-30% of usable lung volume and it's suspected that that loss will be permanent. Yes we have changed our plans for now and will probably change our plans for later this year.
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One thing that's not being talked about amoungst the folks who aren't too worried about surviving this is that of the people who were severly effected, but survived, now have lost 20-30% of usable lung volume and it's suspected that that loss will be permanent. Yes we have changed our plans for now and will probably change our plans for later this year.

It’s a scientific proven through many studies, people will pick out the evidence they like and ignore all the evidence to the contrary. 10,000 doctors can say this virus is extremely dangerous and one person say it isn’t it’s just the flu and there will be same they believe it’s just the flu. Don’t put the people you love at risk. 10,000 doctors know this isn’t the flu.
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