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05-03-2020, 06:59 PM
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Established Member
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: St. Clair
Posts: 32
M.O.C. #24888
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I totally agree! I was oscillating between the 2020 2500 and the 3500.
I drove the 2500 for a few days and loved it. But I was worried about the payload so I purchased the 2020 3500 for almost the same price. Love it!!! Rides and pulls my 3741fk like a dream. I did go with the long bed as well. Defiantly consider the 3500, best decision I made and it was mostly from the comments I read on this website.
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Patrick and Marga Coughlin
St. Clair, Michigan
3741fk - 2020 GMC 3500hd SRW LB
patrick@4ever2.com
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05-04-2020, 10:38 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Eugene
Posts: 1,050
M.O.C. #5091
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My 2007 3500 4x4 extended cab is only rated for 9900. The 2500 for that year was 9200. Wish I had one of the newer models. Easy to go over GVW with this 9900 GVW and my 3000RK.
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05-04-2020, 02:28 PM
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Established Member
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Hampton
Posts: 24
M.O.C. #26030
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GM did up their ratings. I have a 2018 GMC 2500 Sierra Denali Duramax 6-1/2 foot bed (10,000 GVWR) and it has a pathetic 1,750 pound payload. Plenty of power and torque, just can't put much in it. My dealer suggested changing the wheels and adding airbags (I did add airbags) and I could handle more payload (but this would be illegal). The truck pulls and drives fine with a 12,500 pound mid frame fifth wheel. It's just overloaded by 800 lbs....
Therefore, I now also have 2019 F-450 DRW, 14,000 GVWR and I pull a 16,500 lb fifth wheel. It's an absolutely fantastic truck and I recommend it to anybody considering 3500 or F-350. The wide track front axle makes maneuvering so easy. I can easily out turn my 2500 6-1/2 foot bed GMC and my F-150 8 foot bed work truck.
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05-04-2020, 04:04 PM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Knoxville
Posts: 51
M.O.C. #24025
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A 2019 F450 should have a GVWR of I think around 19000. My 2015 Ram 3500 has a GVWR of 14000. Most people don't realize that the big three advertise high payload and towing capacity ratings that are based on regular cab 2 or 4 wheel drive trucks. Once you step into anything other than a regular cab, that payload is taken away by adding 2 extra doors a backseat and other related components. As far as DRW goes, I will put my dually anywhere a SRW goes, Unless it is a " for compact parking only ". Your mirrors reach further than the fenders.
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Walt and Vicki Forester
2015 Ram 3500 Dually G56 ViAir/Hellwig Onboard Air/Springs BD 2Low Kit RDS 95 Gal Tank/Combo American Force 19.5 Falken Bi 850 225/70 19.5
2018 3730FL
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05-04-2020, 06:09 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Sebring
Posts: 3,657
M.O.C. #9969
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I think you will find that the GVWR on the F450 is 14K the same as the F350, generally giving the F350 a higher cargo capacity than the F450 since the 450 is a heavier truck.
At least that was the way it was when I looked.
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Michelle & Ann
2018 Chevy 3500HD High Country DRW 4X4 Crew Cab w/Duramax/Allison, Formally 2010 Montana 2955RL, Now Loaded 2016 SOB, Mor/ryde IS, Disc Brakes & Pin Box, Comfort Ride Hitch, Sailun 17.5 Tires.
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05-04-2020, 06:26 PM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Knoxville
Posts: 51
M.O.C. #24025
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Your right. Guess I had Ram on the brain for a minute. Doesn't make much sense having two trucks in basically the same class.
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Walt and Vicki Forester
2015 Ram 3500 Dually G56 ViAir/Hellwig Onboard Air/Springs BD 2Low Kit RDS 95 Gal Tank/Combo American Force 19.5 Falken Bi 850 225/70 19.5
2018 3730FL
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05-04-2020, 07:54 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Grand Rapids
Posts: 1,896
M.O.C. #9561
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The new 2020 3/4 ton will do whatever you want. look at the specs and compare.
The new 3/4 ton trucks are not your fathers old 3/4 ton truck...
Maximum fifth-wheel/gooseneck rating of up to 18,510 lbs†
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05-05-2020, 02:56 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: home base IL, OTR anywhere
Posts: 532
M.O.C. #19382
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fifth wheel towing is not not not ideal towing conditions. ratings published are for ideal towing situations, that being goosenecks with lowboy trailers and loads that are positioned to make gooseneck pin weight about 15% of trailer weight. RV's typically have pin weights from 20-25% of trailer weight. they also have high frontal surface areas which add drag which increases the needed power to pull it. Food for thought.
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2017 RAM 3500 Laramie CCLB Dually CTD Aisin, OEM auto level rear air-ride, B&W hitch
2020 3813MS Legacy Cobalt FBP, MORryde 8K IS & pinbox, PI EMS,DIY mods by in-house "craftsman", RV security system Mk1 Beagle Alerter
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05-05-2020, 03:00 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Carson City
Posts: 2,017
M.O.C. #21963
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BiggarView
fifth wheel towing is not not not ideal towing conditions. ratings published are for ideal towing situations, that being goosenecks with lowboy trailers and loads that are positioned to make gooseneck pin weight about 15% of trailer weight. RV's typically have pin weights from 20-25% of trailer weight. they also have high frontal surface areas which add drag which increases the needed power to pull it. Food for thought.
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Exactly. Notice the trailers being pulled in their commercials.
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2016 3160, Legacy, Sailuns, Splendide 2100 xc vented, 1 1/2" axle lift blocks, disk brakes. 2014 Ram 3500 SRW SWB 4X4 6.7 Aisin Mega Cab, EBC slotted disks and brakes, Titan fuel tank.
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05-05-2020, 03:30 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Hesston
Posts: 735
M.O.C. #25060
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BiggarView
fifth wheel towing is not not not ideal towing conditions. ratings published are for ideal towing situations, that being goosenecks with lowboy trailers and loads that are positioned to make gooseneck pin weight about 15% of trailer weight. RV's typically have pin weights from 20-25% of trailer weight. they also have high frontal surface areas which add drag which increases the needed power to pull it. Food for thought.
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Actually, in 2020, at least Ford and Chevy are listing the numbers for 3/4 ton trucks as 5th/gooseneck, and they are the same. Ram just lists max towing, and doesn't indicate on the web if that's 5th or gooseneck.
These are the numbers if anyone's interested.
Truck configurations in ALL cases:
3/4T SRW CC 4X4 Diesel
Chevy: max towing of 16,900 (payload of ~ 3300) (20% pin weight = 3380)
Ford: max towing of 19,100 (payload of ~ 3700) (20% pin weight = 3820)
Ram: max towing of 17,890 (payload of ~ 2100) (20% pin weight = 3578)
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2020 Chevy SRW 3500HD Duramax/Allison High Country
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05-05-2020, 08:09 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Carson City
Posts: 2,017
M.O.C. #21963
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CADman_KS
Actually, in 2020, at least Ford and Chevy are listing the numbers for 3/4 ton trucks as 5th/gooseneck, and they are the same. Ram just lists max towing, and doesn't indicate on the web if that's 5th or gooseneck.
These are the numbers if anyone's interested.
Truck configurations in ALL cases:
3/4T SRW CC 4X4 Diesel
Chevy: max towing of 16,900 (payload of ~ 3300) (20% pin weight = 3380)
Ford: max towing of 19,100 (payload of ~ 3700) (20% pin weight = 3820)
Ram: max towing of 17,890 (payload of ~ 2100) (20% pin weight = 3578)
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In the above example of the Ram, the numbers are based upon a Tradesman model which is basically a stripped down model. Any other models with popular options has much lower capacities as they weigh more to begin with. Ram does list fifth wheel as an example to tow however, that is irrelevant.
Take a look at any Ram and view the specs for that specific truck. They show the GVWR and weight of that specific truck. Subtracting the weight of that truck from the GVWR of that truck will provide how much weight can be added.
If 3578 lbs were put on that 2500 Ram, the truck would have to weigh 6422 lbs to be legal. Add one person to drive it and it becomes overloaded.
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2016 3160, Legacy, Sailuns, Splendide 2100 xc vented, 1 1/2" axle lift blocks, disk brakes. 2014 Ram 3500 SRW SWB 4X4 6.7 Aisin Mega Cab, EBC slotted disks and brakes, Titan fuel tank.
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05-05-2020, 08:18 PM
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#32
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Hesston
Posts: 735
M.O.C. #25060
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Montana Man
In the above example of the Ram, the numbers are based upon a Tradesman model which is basically a stripped down model. Any other models with popular options has much lower capacities as they weigh more to begin with. Ram does list fifth wheel as an example to tow however, that is irrelevant.
Take a look at any Ram and view the specs for that specific truck. They show the GVWR and weight of that specific truck. Subtracting the weight of that truck from the GVWR of that truck will provide how much weight can be added.
If 3578 lbs were put on that 2500 Ram, the truck would have to weigh 6422 lbs to be legal. Add one person to drive it and it becomes overloaded.
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I thought the numbers for the Ram was janky, but I didn't spend a lot time trying to figure it out. I figured that they had a better fifth wheel number, but I'm not all that familiar with the Ram website, so didn't know for sure where to go.
Thanks for the update!
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05-05-2020, 11:16 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Mesa az
Posts: 2,926
M.O.C. #5651
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BiggarView
fifth wheel towing is not not not ideal towing conditions. ratings published are for ideal towing situations, that being goosenecks with lowboy trailers and loads that are positioned to make gooseneck pin weight about 15% of trailer weight. RV's typically have pin weights from 20-25% of trailer weight. they also have high frontal surface areas which add drag which increases the needed power to pull it. Food for thought.
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Not sure you were talking about power for towing or weight on truck. If it is power, the 2500 Chevy has all you need. I drove I15 (I think that is the number) from Missoula to Vegas area and only had to push the accelerator once - Cruise handled it all. Also, with the exhaust brake, I only had to manually brake once - maybe twice. I don't think there are any 10% or even 8% grades there, but some long 6/7% grades.
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2013 Mountaineer 362
2012 Silverado 2500
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05-06-2020, 06:27 AM
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#34
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Hesston
Posts: 735
M.O.C. #25060
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BiggarView
... RV's ... also have high frontal surface areas which add drag which increases the needed power to pull it. ...
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It is a true statement that 5er's increase the frontal area, and thus increase the amount of power needed.
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Originally Posted by twindman
Not sure you were talking about power for towing or weight on truck. If it is power, the 2500 Chevy has all you need. ...
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It is true that that 2500 Chevy, Ford, or Dodge, have ALL the power you would ever need.
But, that's the issue. At least in recent years, and let's say starting in 2020 for sure, the big 3 blurred the lines on what these trucks can do. When trucks start making approximately 1000 ft-lbs of torque, give or take, any model, 2500, 3500 SRW or DRW is capable of pulling ANYTHING that you can hook onto it. The "limitation" is the sticker on the door, because any model WILL pull anything that you hook it up to. That's further complicated by the fact, that in 2020, all three made improvements to ENSURE that you could pull maximum weight. Transmissions with more gears, radiators that are HUGE, and improved air intake for more cooling of everything ensure that towing heavy isn't an issue.
It's a great time to be a consumer, but as a consumer, you still have to know what the limitations of the truck are, and that's dictated by the door sticker...
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2020 Montana 3741FK
2020 Chevy SRW 3500HD Duramax/Allison High Country
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05-07-2020, 06:20 PM
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#35
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Carson City
Posts: 2,017
M.O.C. #21963
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Here are the basics as I understand them. The GVWR is in the door jam and is specific to each individual truck. Mine shows a GVWR of 12300 lbs. I know it weighs 8640 lbs. including hitch, fuel, and misc. junk inside. Subtract for two passengers, two dogs, snacks, and misc. travel stuff, leaves 3225 lbs for pin weight. I use these figures regardless of generic sales figures or whether the truck is a 2500, 3500, or a 9500...
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2016 3160, Legacy, Sailuns, Splendide 2100 xc vented, 1 1/2" axle lift blocks, disk brakes. 2014 Ram 3500 SRW SWB 4X4 6.7 Aisin Mega Cab, EBC slotted disks and brakes, Titan fuel tank.
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