towing behind 5th wheel - do you lose CC

[lewy64]

I have a 2019 montana 3761FL, I believe the rear hitch on the 5w can tow 3k. Does this 3k towing take away from the CC? I think the stats are shipping weight 14000, Carrying Capacity 2800, so combined would be 16800 which is the GVWR. I have asked Keystone about this but you know how long that takes. My guess is it is either carry the ~3k or tow the ~3k or a combination of the ~3k.


I plan on using a swivelwheel or equivalent to tow my utv of 1k. I am a fulltimer so my CC will be close to the max. I know there are states that have length limits and multiple towing limits.

[Last2Die]

Double check I believe they are rated at 300lbs not 3k. You also don’t want to void your frame warranty.

Tony

[BB_TX]

The CC would be reduced by the loaded hitch weight, the weight added to the weight of the trailer.

[lewy64]

the 2020 brochure shows -- Allows you to tow your watercraft behind your RV (up to 3,000 lb). note it says mine is n/a, so i will have to look at hitch, havent picked it up yet.


Ah i see there is a towing hitch and an accessory hitch, mine is the second one. :/


-- 2" Towing Hitch: 3120/3121RL, 3700/3701LK, 3780/3781RL, 3810/3811MS, 3812/3813MS, 3854/3855BR, 3930/3931FB
(Mandatory option)
2" Accessory Hitch: 3740/3741FK, 3760/3761FL, 3790/3791RD (Mandatory option)

[Raven17]

Hello all. Raven (Garry) here. We have a 2020 3761fl we are considering pulling a swivel wheel behind. In looking at the SW it appears it has two hitch points, so you would have to install two hitches for it. Don’t know what the weight would be. I’m looking to carry a Honda trike. Will be watching to see other reply’s. Safe travels

[PNW Fireguy]

You might want to take a look at the Freedom Hauler before you commit to your purchase. Better design in my opinion and not considered double towing.

[Raven17]

Thanks for the info. Will check it out

[jetskier]

I would recommend upgrading to disc brakes if you are going to double tow or add a tote. You're going to far exceed the electric brakes effectiveness by adding the extra weight behind.
I'd also recommend make a run over a CAT scale before with the trailer loaded with all your gear, fresh water, etc. to see where your true weights are. It will give you a sense of the whole situation before adding second trailer.


You can be running up on 29-30k GCW rather quick with a double tow setup!

[jeffba]

Originally Posted by PNW Fireguy

You might want to take a look at the Freedom Hauler before you commit to your purchase. Better design in my opinion and not considered double towing.

Agree, look long and hard at the swivel wheel design. Many put too much of the weight on the tongue. Some even state to no use to tow an electric golf cart.

If you put too much weight on the back-- bad things will happen.

[PNW Fireguy]

The Freedom Hauler has a brake package option available. The deck is metal vs the plywood Swivel Wheel on display at last years rally. I does not use your OEM 300lb rated receiver. Our Spyder is balanced over the axle and the weight that most would consider the tongue weight is maneuverable by me with the bike on the tote.

[JABURKHOLDER]

Don’t forget about your tow vehicles’ GCWR.

[Leftie Canuk]

I would also think you should check the Gross Combined Weight Rating for the tow vehicle, as you no doubt would want to exceed it. Adding the Monty and the added trailer behind, with the total of both loaded weights should be under the GCWR, or you might be pushing legal or insurance limits. Just a thought.

[Alan & Jan]

So lots of talk but nobody actually answered the original question. I will add a caveat to the question as it pertains to my situation. I bought a small scooter and receiver mount-about 300#. My receiver hitch on my 5ver is rated for 300# tongue/3000# tow. Does either weight need to be added to my 5vers pin or total trailer weight? My tow vehicle is good no matter what so no need to bring that up. Im not really concerned and am going down the road either way but, would like valid opinions. Locals with experience say IM GTG. Think about this before you answer, this could/probably does counterweight the pin...negative impact? Only the scale knows?

[Fishin2dMax]

The weight of the scooter mounted on rear hitch would be subtracted from the 5'er's rated axle carry capacity. As far as pin weight, it would likely have little to no effect on pin weight, since the rear weight is mostly carried on the trailers axles / wheels and not on the front pin. If anything, it may slightly lower pin weight.

[AZ Traveler]

Alan,

The certification for Montanas to tow a trailer is fairly new so you're not going to find a lot of accurate knowledge here on the subject. Weight on the hitch will reduce your pin weight but add to overall weight. A trip to the scales will give you good data.

[BB_TX]

Adding 300 lbs weight to the hitch is little different than putting that 300 lbs inside the trailer. Both add to the total weight of the trailer, the weight on the axles, and become part of that cargo capacity number. Because of the cantilever effect, weight on the hitch may slightly reduce the pin weight. But that reduction does not affect the total loaded trailer weight. It simply shifts it.

[DmaxDually]

Originally Posted by Alan & Jan

So lots of talk but nobody actually answered the original question. I will add a caveat to the question as it pertains to my situation. I bought a small scooter and receiver mount-about 300#. My receiver hitch on my 5ver is rated for 300# tongue/3000# tow. Does either weight need to be added to my 5vers pin or total trailer weight? My tow vehicle is good no matter what so no need to bring that up. Im not really concerned and am going down the road either way but, would like valid opinions. Locals with experience say IM GTG. Think about this before you answer, this could/probably does counterweight the pin...negative impact? Only the scale knows?

Ok, I carry a SYM CityCom S 300i scooter on a hitch mounted Black Widow heavy duty motorcycle carrier on the back of my 5ver. The carrier is rated for 600 Lbs. The hitch is a custom made 3 point hitch. Which means it has 3 separate 2" receivers on it. The previous owner had it made. I weighed my 5ver on a CAT scale before and after loading the scooter. The MFG's specs say the dry weight of the scooter is 412 Lbs.

The scooter and carrier added 500 lbs total to my Gross Weight. It added 960 lbs to my camper axle weight and it took 440 lbs off my hitch weight.

So by adding approximately a 500 lb to the back of my 5ver I increased my camper axel weight by 960 lbs. 500 from the scooter and 440 transferred from the hitch.
These weights are from a CAT scale...

[Maury]

Originally Posted by lewy64

I have a 2019 montana 3761FL, I believe the rear hitch on the 5w can tow 3k. Does this 3k towing take away from the CC? I think the stats are shipping weight 14000, Carrying Capacity 2800, so combined would be 16800 which is the GVWR. I have asked Keystone about this but you know how long that takes. My guess is it is either carry the ~3k or tow the ~3k or a combination of the ~3k.


I plan on using a swivelwheel or equivalent to tow my utv of 1k. I am a fulltimer so my CC will be close to the max. I know there are states that have length limits and multiple towing limits.

We were always advised to check first with insurance carrier and then with various state regulations.

[Montana Man]

[QUOTE=DmaxDually

"The scooter and carrier added 500 lbs total to my Gross Weight. It added 960 lbs to my camper axle weight and it took 440 lbs off my hitch weight.

So by adding approximately a 500 lb to the back of my 5ver I increased my camper axel weight by 960 lbs. 500 from the scooter and 440 transferred from the hitch.
These weights are from a CAT scale...[/QUOTE]"

Thanks for sharing that.