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08-02-2018, 01:42 PM
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#101
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Site Team
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Oro Valley
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M.O.C. #20477
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Montana Man
Is there a difference between a Walmart brand and a more expensive name brand?
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Yes, the price.
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Zack and Donna plus Millie and Ranger
2018 3160RL
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08-02-2018, 02:29 PM
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#102
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,550
M.O.C. #2283
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Montana Man
Name a truck that made more reliable (except Fords) power and got better mpg than these new ones.
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There seams to be a lot of satisfied Ford owns here and since Ford sells more trucks than anybody else I’m wondering what you know about Ford’s reliability that all of these satisfied owners don’t know.
I think all three make very fine vehicles. I would be proud to own any of them.
Lynwood
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08-02-2018, 02:49 PM
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#103
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Trinidad, TX
Posts: 506
M.O.C. #20746
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All 3 manufacturers make a fine product. Personally I have had multiple Chevrolet Duramax trucks but now I have a Ram Cummins truck. I find it to be a great truck so far but I also found the Chevrolet to be a great truck. I'm sure if I got a Ford I would most likely say the same thing. That said, if you visit any diesel forum you will read many horror stories. Let's face it, people often times use forums to b$tch about their "whatever". If it was really that bad across the board, nobody would own that "whatever". But clearly that is not the case. My advice to anyone is look at all the choices and pick one. There is a high probability it will work out fine for your application as long as you stay within the parameters.
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08-02-2018, 03:39 PM
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#104
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Carson City
Posts: 2,017
M.O.C. #21963
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mlh
There seams to be a lot of satisfied Ford owns here and since Ford sells more trucks than anybody else I’m wondering what you know about Ford’s reliability that all of these satisfied owners don’t know.
I think all three make very fine vehicles. I would be proud to own any of them.
Lynwood
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I've had all three. When I drop $60+k my loyalty and "habit" goes out the window. Although I don't keep a truck for a long time, I still expect the best available. All have some advantage over the others. Personally, I think Ford has the highest quality of vehicle, not counting powertrain. Ever since they dropped the 7.3 they have not found themselves, under the hood, yet. Too many "new" designs, components, this, that. And now, cab off engine maintenance does not instill confidence at least with regard to low maintenance cost. When they have a powertrain that survives several years without major revisions like the other two, they may be on to something good.
IMHO
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08-02-2018, 06:03 PM
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#105
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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We are a 2008 F-350 6.4l just short of 100K as so far so good. We have no problem with any of them but we live in Ford Country and buy Fords on the X plan. We have had both GM and Fords over the many years.
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08-02-2018, 07:16 PM
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#106
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Montana Master
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: North Lake Tahoe
Posts: 639
M.O.C. #18510
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This was my dream truck back in 1996. It was the First short bed F250 Power Stroke Mega crew cab Ford truck made. I had to wait until Smitty Built running boards could be designed to get a pair. I kept this truck for 11 years. Now I have my Ram 3500 Dually with the 6.7 Cummins and Aisin tranny and auto air bags and 4.10 gears, and it hauls my big OL' RV, but is not as sexy as my 96 F250!
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08-02-2018, 07:22 PM
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#107
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,550
M.O.C. #2283
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Pretty ^^^
Lynwood
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08-02-2018, 11:34 PM
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#108
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Medford
Posts: 498
M.O.C. #18546
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mlh
There seams to be a lot of satisfied Ford owns here and since Ford sells more trucks than anybody else I’m wondering what you know about Ford’s reliability that all of these satisfied owners don’t know.
I think all three make very fine vehicles. I would be proud to own any of them.
Lynwood
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Although General Motors sold about 50,000 more pickups in 2017 than Ford, your larger point is correct. http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2018/01/best-selling-pickup-trucks-december-2017.html
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08-03-2018, 07:49 AM
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#109
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: McKinney
Posts: 7,167
M.O.C. #6433
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad Moon
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And, of course, you are correct about GM total pickup sales being more than Ford, when you count the small pickups in the total. But the larger picture shows that Ford sold almost 93,000 more full size pickups than GM.
There is still a market for the smaller trucks and Ford is re-entering that market. So expect GM's small truck sales to be negatively affected by that.
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Riley, our Golden
2007 3075RL (recently sold, currently without)
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08-03-2018, 11:45 AM
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#110
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Medford
Posts: 498
M.O.C. #18546
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BB_TX
And, of course, you are correct about GM total pickup sales being more than Ford, when you count the small pickups in the total. But the larger picture shows that Ford sold almost 93,000 more full size pickups than GM.
There is still a market for the smaller trucks and Ford is re-entering that market. So expect GM's small truck sales to be negatively affected by that.
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With their redesign, the "small trucks" offered by GM (Canyon/Colorado) actually stole sales from the GM full-sized trucks (and Toyota). Ford's reintroduction of the Ranger is as likely to steal more sales from the full-size Fords than from GM. "Small" pickups is really a misnomer anyway, since they have become a lot bigger and their capacity has increased in recent years; the line between small and 1/2 ton has become blurred.
But, don't forget, the sales numbers include fleet sales. When GM was forced to scuttle their 4500-5500-6500 medium duty line with the government bailout, they lost a lot of fleet business of pickups as well since fleet operators tend to favor single brands for economy reasons. With GM re-entering the medium duty market, there will be an increase in pickup sales to fleets.
Here is an interesting analysis from an investor perspective:
https://seekingalpha.com/article/403...yota-vs?page=6
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08-03-2018, 12:11 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: McKinney
Posts: 7,167
M.O.C. #6433
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Numbers are fun to discus, but don’t really mean a lot other than how that particular market is doing. And they are almost all doing well. The only oddity is the significant drop in Canyon sales numbers over 2016, and to a lesser extent the Sierra.
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Riley, our Golden
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08-03-2018, 12:51 PM
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#112
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Bee Branch
Posts: 2,620
M.O.C. #20693
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vipermanden
How does Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) affect a vehicle's performance?
Since the introduction of diesel emissions legislation, truck manufacturers have battled to reduce emissions while maintaining and improving engine torque. Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) is an aftertreatment technology, which means that it deals with emissions without adapting combustion conditions. In contrast, Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) functions by reducing combustion temperatures, thereby reducing NOx. The use of SCR has allowed therefore manufacturers to tune engines, improving fuel efficiency and increasing torque compared to 2007 technology.
What fuel saving can I expect from a truck equipped with Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) technology?
Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) is an after treatment emissions control technology, which deals with emissions outside of the engine. This means manufacturers are able to tune engines to boost performance and achieve fuel savings. The extent of these savings will vary, but fleets' experiences with post 2010 heavy-duty trucks suggests fuel savings of around 5% compared to 2007 models with similar engine specifications. PACCAR, Daimler and Cummins all use this figure in their 2010 model specs. Reports from customers using off-road machines with SCR are reporting fuel savings of 5% and higher.
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This is comparing SCR vs other environmental crap. How about same engine with NO environmental crap on it?
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Bee Branch, AR.
2017 Ram 1 ton diesel duallyCrew Cab/Long Bed
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08-03-2018, 01:07 PM
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#113
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,550
M.O.C. #2283
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mtlakejim
This is comparing SCR vs other environmental crap. How about same engine with NO environmental crap on it?
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That is easy take all the pollution controls off.
Lynwood
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08-03-2018, 01:48 PM
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#114
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Site Team
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Oro Valley
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M.O.C. #20477
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We should not advocate anything illegal or unethical here on the forum. Was not directed to you or anyone else in particular.
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Zack and Donna plus Millie and Ranger
2018 3160RL
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08-03-2018, 06:00 PM
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#115
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,550
M.O.C. #2283
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I removed all the pollution controls on my truck 9 years ago. I don’t know what it would do to a newer truck but I can tell you what it does to an older truck. It simply makes a different truck a better truck. I had 13% fuel in the oil now it’s less than 1/2% and that’s not counting how much better it runs. Ford couldn’t fix the fuel in oil problem I did. My only regret is I didn’t do it sooner.
Lynwood
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08-03-2018, 08:30 PM
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#116
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Medford
Posts: 498
M.O.C. #18546
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mlh
I removed all the pollution controls on my truck 9 years ago. I don’t know what it would do to a newer truck but I can tell you what it does to an older truck. It simply makes a different truck a better truck. I had 13% fuel in the oil now it’s less than 1/2% and that’s not counting how much better it runs. Ford couldn’t fix the fuel in oil problem I did. My only regret is I didn’t do it sooner.
Lynwood
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Same here. But we are lucky to live in a state that doesn't smog check diesels (yet). But I saved all my stuff. But I would NEVER advocate anyone doing anything illegal.
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