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08-25-2006, 08:16 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Oceanside
Posts: 20,028
M.O.C. #20
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If I were going to commute 60 miles per day with the truck I think I'd seriously consider the diesel. I get 40% better mileage, towing and solo, with the diesel than I did with the V10. You'll get the premium price for the diesel back at tradein time, assuming it's in good shape. Used diesel tow vehicles bring a premium price. The only reason I might forego the diesel despite the commute is if the premium for the diesel pushes the payment beyond what you can live with. But I guess you can pay that money in the larger payment or pay it at the pump. Both are excellent engines from my experience.
See another Montana or Mountaineer on the road? Flash lights twice, it might be one of us!
Steve Reigle (pronounced Regal)
Fulltiming since 3/21/03
'03 3295RK
'05 Ford F250 SD Lariat CC SB 6.0L PSD/TS FX4 4x4
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08-25-2006, 09:17 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2006
Location:
Posts: 1,700
M.O.C. #5751
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houseofmany dogs...wrote..."I may be late to the party here, BUT, I see no mention of the 2007 Diesel fuel issues in this thread. You can only use 50 PPM Sulphur fuel in 2007 year diesels and most stations are equipped with 500 PPM fuels."
I don't know much about this subject, and can only pass on what I have read on the RV Forum...word there is that the 2007 diesel trucks that require the new diesel fuel pertains to commercial trucks ONLY. The web site at the bottom of this post seems to verify this. I've seen those signs on the pumps, too, and they do not specify which trucks...ours or commercial. Since I have a new diesel on order, this subject is important to me...just not much information on it available.
Here is a web site that states the new fuel is for "heavy duty" trucks...check # 10: http://www.chevron.com/products/prod.../ulsd.shtml#A2
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08-26-2006, 06:46 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Oceanside
Posts: 20,028
M.O.C. #20
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I know the signs all say 2007 model year, but there are a lot of 2007 trucks being sold out there using the engines that are not yet ULSD certified or whatever the emissions certification is. So I have to wonder if the break is calendar year 2007 built rather than model year. Still, the signs say 2007 model year.
Question. Legal or not, what happens when one of the new engines uses the older diesel? Other than emitting more emissions, that is. Any problems with the engines? If not, I'd be inclined to use whatever diesel is available, 500 or 50 ppm. I've yet to see anyone at a pump asking what year my truck is.
See another Montana or Mountaineer on the road? Flash lights twice, it might be one of us!
Steve Reigle (pronounced Regal)
Fulltiming since 3/21/03
'03 3295RK
'05 Ford F250 SD Lariat CC SB 6.0L PSD/TS FX4 4x4
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08-26-2006, 08:54 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2006
Location:
Posts: 1,700
M.O.C. #5751
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This is especially confusing to GM drivers...the 2007 Classic is a 2006 model with a 2007 title...but technically is an '07. As noted above, if this is for commercial trucks only it will be a nonproblem for us.
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08-26-2006, 02:06 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Cooper
Posts: 1,230
M.O.C. #3029
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This should help with the explaination of ULSD for the 2007 models....pasted from the link below.
About Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel:
Sulfur (Sulphur) in diesel fuel will be lowered to enable new pollution-control technology. The EPA requires a 97 percent reduction in the sulfur content of highway diesel fuel from 500 ppm to 15 ppm in 2007. ULSD fuel requirements started to take effect June 1, 2006 for fuel refiners and fuel importers, storage terminals on July 15, 2006 and for retail stations and wholesalers by September 1, 2006.
http://www.intertek-cb.com/newsitete...FRN1Hgod2Hj3Gw
Charlie
2001 F-250 Lariat SC 4x2 LB 7.3L PSD
BD Power ECM 80 HP Performance Chip
BD Power X-Monitor LED Digital Gauges
Firestone Ride-Rite Air Bags
2005 3295RK
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08-30-2006, 01:12 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Huntington Beach
Posts: 304
M.O.C. #2740
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Just got back from an Alaska cruise, but we have a 2002 ford v-10 gasser. We've gone over the 11 western states, up and down mountains and around them also, usual speed up the steep ones is 45mph. I have the Banks Power Pak, GearVender trans, Air Bags, Bilston shocks, 4.30 rear end on a crew-cab 8' bed and it does great. On the way to the Spring Rally, going through Stockton deisel was $4.12 per gallon gas was $2.84. I like the gas truck.
Bill
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08-30-2006, 02:03 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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I am glad that We do not have to make the decision on what kind of motor to buy right now. We went with the Ford V-10 in 05 because of those new fuel/ new motor/ EPA mess (not the only reasons) and it is more confusing now than it was in 05. Our travels in the next year or so says we should, by past standards, need a diesel. Bought Gas today for the truck here in Northern Ohio 2.399 per gal...fueled up the school bus at the same station (Speedway America) 3.099 for ULSD Diesel.. Go figure????
Rich& Helen N.Ridgeville,Ohio.
F-350SD, Lariat, V-10,4:30 Diff, tow command Long bed, Crew Cab Dually, 06 3400RL
Mor-Ryde Pin Box
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08-30-2006, 02:22 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location:
Posts: 1,568
M.O.C. #4890
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Well I might as well give the V10 a plug too. I have towed with diesels for 11 years but in 04 I got hung with a lemon 6.0 . Ford took it back and let me order my 05 V10. Long story short, I love the thing, it tows my 2955RL like a dream. In 05 they bumped up the V10 to 362 HP and it is a real sweetheart. So nice to start up in the Campground early in the morning and know you are not making enemies. Each to his own, but I will be sticking with this V10 for many years I hope.
Don & Donna
Vancouver Island
2005 Ford F350 V10 Lariat CC 4x4 LB SRW 11200 GVWR
2006 Montana 2955RL
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08-30-2006, 02:52 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Gooderham
Posts: 130
M.O.C. #2222
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Don, What rear axle did you go with on your V10?
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08-30-2006, 03:15 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location:
Posts: 1,568
M.O.C. #4890
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I have the 4.10s but the 4.30's won't cost you much more fuel and give you a GCWR of 23000 versus the 21000 I have with the 4.10s. These are the only two rear end ratios available with the V10 and they are so close I can go to a 65 series tire instead of the 70 series tire and that will give me the eqivalency of 4.24s. Best bet is to go with the 4.30s to get the same combined raing as the diesels but my 4.10s worked excellent and I could do 55 MPH on 8 % grades up to 4000 feet of elevation. The turbo diesels really shine at high elevations but the V10 is no slouch even at high elevations.
Don & Donna
Vancouver Island
2005 Ford F350 V10 Lariat CC 4x4 LB SRW 11200 GVWR
2006 Montana 2955RL
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09-01-2006, 06:24 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Palm Bay
Posts: 423
M.O.C. #4308
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Sandi, we have a 2005 F350 Super duty, Crew Cab, long bed, DRW, Powerstroke 6.0L diesel with the Tow Boss package (4.30) differential. I do believe that it will pull anything Keystone builds. Mine has 10,500 miles on it and I get better than 12MPG.
Pete, Waltraud (Wally), Brian(Grandson) and Hannah (Big German Shepherd).
2005 Ford F-350 Lariat DRW FX4 Crew Cab 6.0 Turbo Diesel, w/tow boss package, dual batteries and alternators. Reese 16K fifth wheel and a 2005 Montana 2955RL.
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