View Poll Results: Product Input: Shower type
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Fiberglass shower with fiberglass seat (currently installed in Montana)
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71.21% |
Fiberglass shower with flip down cedar seat (seat like show in plastic shower picture)
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19.70% |
Plastic / PVC shower. It's all about the look and I like it best. Example shown in picture.
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9.09% |
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01-17-2021, 04:36 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Monroe
Posts: 183
M.O.C. #15746
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Product Input: Shower type
Hello MOC!
It's me again, asking for your input on showers.
Recently fifth wheel brands have been installing a plastic shower wall that looks very much like tile......but it is PLASTIC / PVC. The material is not repairable, or replaceable.
Several people shopping for a new fifth wheels have been drawn to this plastic shower. And actually, have purchased other brands due to this great looking shower.
I've dug my heels in and have continued to install a residential fiberglass shower. Knowing that fiberglass is repairable and last a very long time.
Am I being stubborn? Should I be considering the new great look with plastic / PVC walls?
I've included a picture of the plastic style.
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01-17-2021, 04:55 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Oro Valley
Posts: 4,086
M.O.C. #20477
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Sam,
Form vs function will always start a debate. I believe the current shower is very functional and trouble free. If the new plastic holds up it will likely carry the day.
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Zack and Donna plus Millie and Ranger
2018 3160RL
"Life is too short to stay indoors, enjoy the ride!"
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01-17-2021, 05:16 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Battleford
Posts: 627
M.O.C. #26690
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mootana
Hello MOC!
It's me again, asking for your input on showers.
Recently fifth wheel brands have been installing a plastic shower wall that looks very much like tile......but it is PLASTIC / PVC. The material is not repairable, or replaceable.
Several people shopping for a new fifth wheels have been drawn to this plastic shower. And actually, have purchased other brands due to this great looking shower.
I've dug my heels in and have continued to install a residential fiberglass shower. Knowing that fiberglass is repairable and last a very long time.
Am I being stubborn? Should I be considering the new great look with plastic / PVC walls?
I've included a picture of the plastic style.
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Sam,
I saw these new showers online and thought it was a great idea. But, when we saw it in person, we found the same negatives as all of the other plastic panels -they look cheap in person, but even worse they feel cheap as they are not fully laminated so move as you wipe them down.
I really like the cedar seat idea and it looked good and solid in person, but I've never seen one in a proper fiberglass shower.
So I voted for the current one, but I might be open to the second one if I knew what it looks like.
Do you have any photos of the fiberglass shower with cedar seat?
Thanks,
Brad
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01-17-2021, 05:26 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Lamesa
Posts: 629
M.O.C. #26010
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I've seen these new units in passing but to me it was more a glitzy gimmick than improved function. The fold down cedar seats are "pretty" but problematic in the long term especially for an RV and they way they are constructed.
Just finished an expensive bathroom remodel in our main house. One of the topics was some sort of cedar bench inside. After visiting with the contractor at length about the pros and cons if doing it, the longevity, problems they caused etc. I went with granite benching in the shower....IT won't age, pull out of the walls, cause leaks etc.
Something I don't recall from my brief "looking" at this type shower is whether the shower pan is integral or the sides just sit down into the edges. I'm a fan of integral floor pans simply for simplicity, less chance of leaks and ongoing maintenance. Thanks again.
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2019 Ram Laramie 3500 6.4 4x4 CC 4.10 SRW
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01-17-2021, 05:52 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,671
M.O.C. #2283
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To me pretty is as pretty does. I’ll take the better unit and worry about what it looks like in 10 years.
Lynwood
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01-17-2021, 06:03 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Alton
Posts: 2,898
M.O.C. #24086
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ANYTHING that is BIGGER!!!
The plastic one with the flip up cedar bench looks like it is 5' x 5'. Is that correct?
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01-17-2021, 06:31 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Granger TX
Posts: 2,598
M.O.C. #21044
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DW loves the full bath tub in our unit and I like the fiberglass shower. The folding seat looks like it might be nice to have but I don’t trust the longevity of it. The permanent cast seats will never leak and never break. My vote goes to fiberglass the way it is now.
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2019 Chevy 3500 High Country DRW
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01-18-2021, 06:05 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Bastrop
Posts: 2,892
M.O.C. #20753
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Which will hold up better?
DW would most likely like the plastic shower. I might get a override if I told her it would leak and not last as long
As for stubborn.........
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01-18-2021, 06:23 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Aurora
Posts: 429
M.O.C. #26926
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Sam,
I built one of these seats for the shower on our trawler and went with SS brackets that folded the seat down (not up). These created a shelf bracket style support from below rather than full cantilever. I secured thru about 1.125" of solid bulkhead and it was very solid. I was leery of the full cantilever option then, when I was doing the install and could see "what's behind the curtain". We voted for the status quo - it was a selling point to us.
PS - inspection of our new rig happens today.
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2021 3121RL Legacy Cobalt FBP, MORryde IS & pin box
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01-18-2021, 11:02 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Oklahoma City
Posts: 181
M.O.C. #23433
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The reparability of fiberglass is a consideration. However, I believe most people don't go into it thinking that a shower would even need repair and would first go with esthetics. I like the shower that is in our MHC but I do not like the built in seat. It makes the shower feel smaller than it is because of limited floor space and it takes up valuable real estate in the shower. That is why I would go with this new design with a flip up/down seat. I can get it out of the way and have more room in the shower or have it there if needed. I would go with the functionality of this new style shower over just fiberglass vs plastic. If I could get rid of the seat in our current shower I would.
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2019 Montana High Country 330RL
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01-18-2021, 11:13 AM
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Site Team
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Carmichael - CA
Posts: 7,696
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Carl (n Susan)
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2012 Montana 3700RL Big Sky Package towed by a 2015 Ford F350 6.7L PSD 4WD CC LWB
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01-18-2021, 02:33 PM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Grand Blanc
Posts: 82
M.O.C. #22765
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I really like the look of this shower. I think I am the odd one out, but I don't like the seat in the current Montana showers (it takes up too much space) although I do still prefer the one piece construction and it doesn't look like this would be.
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01-19-2021, 04:58 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Arlington
Posts: 136
M.O.C. #21176
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I like the one piece fiberglass less chance of leaking.
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01-19-2021, 05:23 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Monroe
Posts: 183
M.O.C. #15746
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Daryles
ANYTHING that is BIGGER!!!
The plastic one with the flip up cedar bench looks like it is 5' x 5'. Is that correct?
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The shower size with the plastic walls is 48x30
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01-19-2021, 05:42 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Monroe
Posts: 183
M.O.C. #15746
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On leaking-it’s two pieces compared to one piece fiberglass.
With the plastic wall a cheap plastic pan can be used. Only select cleaning chemicals can be used on the plastic.
Plastic wall is normally glued to the interior wall. It can release and become wavy.
Just some thoughts
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01-19-2021, 05:45 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Monroe
Posts: 183
M.O.C. #15746
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RipNC
Sam,
I built one of these seats for the shower on our trawler and went with SS brackets that folded the seat down (not up). These created a shelf bracket style support from below rather than full cantilever. I secured thru about 1.125" of solid bulkhead and it was very solid. I was leery of the full cantilever option then, when I was doing the install and could see "what's behind the curtain". We voted for the status quo - it was a selling point to us.
PS - inspection of our new rig happens today.
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I agree. Does anyone even use the seat? Shower vendors tell us you can’t delete the seat, women sit to shave their legs.
I’ve recent saw showers with small corner platforms to rest your foot on to shave. Any thoughts?
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01-19-2021, 06:09 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Virginia Beach
Posts: 287
M.O.C. #23051
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Sam,
You can never go wrong with one-piece "real" fiberglass. Repairable and functional. Fake plastic tile has no place in a luxury line camper.
Hint....it does not belong in the kitchen either!
Jimmy
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2017 Ford F250 Super Duty, 6.7 PSD
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01-19-2021, 06:15 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Livermore
Posts: 5,183
M.O.C. #1920
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We just ordered our 4th Montana. We have not ordered new units because they wore out, but because needs and technology changed. We have never had a shower leak. We would vote for whatever lasts and doesn’t leak. We have a very similar shower at home - because they just work and you never have to worry about it.
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01-19-2021, 06:16 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Lamesa
Posts: 629
M.O.C. #26010
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Sam the "seat" in ours isn't used to "sit" on but it is indispensable for washing/shaving legs. It was one of our requisites for a new shower. I have no use for plastic sheets glued on a wall in any shower....cheap.
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Danny and Susan wife of 55 years
2019 Ram Laramie 3500 6.4 4x4 CC 4.10 SRW
2020 Montana High Country 331RL
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01-19-2021, 10:31 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Omaha
Posts: 6,795
M.O.C. #7560
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I like the looks of the plastic shower but we still like the fiberglass one piece. The problem we see with the plastic is the change in temperatures from the freezing cold as we go down the road in the wintertime to the blazing heat of summer. The biggest problem with any showers that have had the pan crack is that there was not enough support put under the pan and around the drain to support the weight of someone over time. In sticks and bricks they either use quickset cement or expandable foam for support and the foam idea would be the best for Keystone if they aren't using it already. I caught all kinds of static from the ladies at the Fall Rally several years ago when I mentioned eliminating the bench in the shower but I do like the idea of the fold down seat or the small shelf in the corner for the ladies to sit down on or put their foot on while shaving their legs. I just think the full corner bench is taking up to much space.
We actually would like to see a fiberglass shower without the seat or with a fold down seat and have shelves built into the corners so be able to put soaps, shampoos and etc on them. The present "seat" only shortens the shower and is only a storage space for us.
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