Goodyear Endurance

[Carl n Susan]

Originally Posted by CalandLinda

...The heyday for for 16" LRE LT tires as OEM OE tires on Keystone trailers was 2005-2006. The major brands were Uniroyal and a China made LT of the same designated size. The results was just as dismal as that of the previous ST tires used as OEM....

There is a large group of us here that had 2004, 2005, and 2006 Montanas. They came with Tacoma LT tires made by Cooper. Those tires were super with few problems. I ran them for 4 years and replaced them with the same tire. After 8 years I had no complaints. Neither did the other 8-10 rigs we ran around with.

After that came the switch to St tires and the infamous Goodyear Marathons. Worst tire ever!

[beeje]

Originally Posted by Carl n Susan

There is a large group of us here that had 2004, 2005, and 2006 Montanas. They came with Tacoma LT tires made by Cooper. Those tires were super with few problems. I ran them for 4 years and replaced them with the same tire. After 8 years I had no complaints. Neither did the other 8-10 rigs we ran around with.

After that came the switch to St tires and the infamous Goodyear Marathons. Worst tire ever!

I think the Carlisle tires I had on a triple axle toy hauler would give the marathons a run for their money for the worst Tire ever. All six have multiple cracks throughout the thread 3 in Long quarter inch deep within 5000 miles of use

[CalandLinda]

Originally Posted by Carl n Susan

There is a large group of us here that had 2004, 2005, and 2006 Montanas. They came with Tacoma LT tires made by Cooper. Those tires were super with few problems. I ran them for 4 years and replaced them with the same tire. After 8 years I had no complaints. Neither did the other 8-10 rigs we ran around with.

After that came the switch to St tires and the infamous Goodyear Marathons. Worst tire ever!

I've been doing this - writing about trailer tires - for a long time. I started researching them in 2003. Our traveling companions were long time friends from our Navy years. Their rig included a 2004 Montana, like ours it had 6000# axles. It's OE tires were LT 16" Uniroyal. Not enough tire for 6000# axles. They like others we knew with Those LT235/85R16 LRE with 3042# of maximum load capacity on 6000# axles FAILED very early. Going up 400# - 500# in maximum load capacity allowed us to go at least 3 years without having to replace them.

I've always known that RV trailer axles NEED at least 15% in load capacity reserves to offset the weight imbalance inherent to RV trailer axles.

For a long time I was not allowed in this forum because our trailer was not a Montana. Our Everest, a Keystone built trailer, was always equal to a Montana. If you could look back in other forums I wrote in before being allowed to join this one you would see my history was to always support 12-15% in load capacity reserves for all RV trailer tires.

[Creeker]

Made in USA Goodyear Endurance tires come factory on all Jayco 5ers. Including their largest/heaviest most Luxurious models. I'm sure their 44' Pinnacle is as heavy as any Montana.

[beeje]

Originally Posted by Creeker

Made in USA Goodyear Endurance tires come factory on all Jayco 5ers. Including their largest/heaviest most Luxurious models. I'm sure their 44' Pinnacle is as heavy as any Montana.

I'm sure they are just as heavy probably even heavier. But if I was to buy one of those, the tires would come off of it as soon as it left the dealership.

[CaptnJohn]

Originally Posted by Creeker

Made in USA Goodyear Endurance tires come factory on all Jayco 5ers. Including their largest/heaviest most Luxurious models. I'm sure their 44' Pinnacle is as heavy as any Montana.

On the way to Yellowstone my close friend with a 1 year old 34 - 35' Jayco just blew a tire, ripped the lower trim off. Just did it last week. Now he is buying Sailun a little late.

[PSFORD99]

Originally Posted by CaptnJohn

On the way to Yellowstone my close friend with a 1 year old 34 - 35' Jayco just blew a tire, ripped the lower trim off. Just did it last week. Now he is buying Sailun a little late.

Was that tire one of these Endurance tires that is the subject of this thread. If so thats the second Goodyear Endurance reported with a blowout on this forum.

There is a lot of discussion about how great the Goodyear Endurance is on RVNet, by some. Here I think the experience ,and knowledge of tires, most will stay away from Goodyear tires.

[Hornet28]

Originally Posted by PSFORD99

Was that tire one of these Endurance tires that is the subject of this thread. If so thats the second Goodyear Endurance reported with a blowout on this forum.

There is a lot of discussion about how great the Goodyear Endurance is on RVNet, by some. Here I think the experience ,and knowledge of tires, most will stay away from Goodyear tires.

I can only speak of my own experience with the GY Endurance. I have somewhere close to 10K on mine without any problems. Last year we did a 7600 mile 33 day trip to the PNW with a couple of 800 mi days thrown in, so they haven't been babied

[PSFORD99]

Originally Posted by Hornet28

I can only speak of my own experience with the GY Endurance. I have somewhere close to 10K on mine without any problems. Last year we did a 7600 mile 33 day trip to the PNW with a couple of 800 mi days thrown in, so they haven't been babied

I don't think the issue is with the lighter fifth wheels, the subject is like the OP's fifth wheel.

You have an older fifth wheel with 6K axles I would think ?? Probably what 12-13K GVWR. Not a fifth wheel thats nearing 17K GVWR.

[Carl n Susan]

I am guessing, as it is is too darn hot here to go out to some paved parking lot to check, but I bet if they have the GY Endurance tires (which Jayco calls the "Beast") ST255/85R16 which are Load Range E (10 ply) with a Load Index of 129 (4080 lbs.) at 80 P.S.I.

I don't know how they would fit under a Montana but could be an option. I still don't like "E" tires and the price is substantially higher than a Sailun.

[socoinc]

Been running Goodyear Endurance on my duel wheel duel axle bobcat, mini x with attachments on one of my trailers. Other trailer has John Deere 710 backhoe with 24” to 48” buckets & 1800 foot pound breaker. Never had a problem.

[PSFORD99]

Originally Posted by socoinc

Been running Goodyear Endurance on my duel wheel duel axle bobcat, mini x with attachments on one of my trailers. Other trailer has John Deere 710 backhoe with 24” to 48” buckets & 1800 foot pound breaker. Never had a problem.

Those endurance have been on the market for 3.5 years , give them some time ,and get back with us.

There is no sense in pushing those Endurance on the members here that know the score. Its pretty simple these newer Montana fifth wheels are just too heavy for those E rated Endurance, they don't cover the weight rating ,and RIVA.

You are not doing anyone any good by suggesting those Endurance belong on these fifth wheels. As mentioned even the G614 cannot cover the weight rating . People are asking for trouble with those Endurance on heavy fifth wheels .

[PSFORD99]

Originally Posted by Carl n Susan

I am guessing, as it is is too darn hot here to go out to some paved parking lot to check, but I bet if they have the GY Endurance tires (which Jayco calls the "Beast") ST255/85R16 which are Load Range E (10 ply) with a Load Index of 129 (4080 lbs.) at 80 P.S.I.

I don't know how they would fit under a Montana but could be an option. I still don't like "E" tires and the price is substantially higher than a Sailun.

If they are indeed running the ST255/85/16 then they have also upgraded the wheel size. Pretty sure most Montana fifth wheels have the 6" wide wheels, those 255/85/16's require a minimum of a 6.5 wheel ,or better a 7"

If we were to run those 255's ,new wheels would most likely be needed. Wouldn't make much sense ,just go the Sailuns .

[mlh]

All tires are the same, round and black. There is no difference in them.
Lynwood

[PSFORD99]

Originally Posted by mlh

All tires are the same, round and black. There is no difference in them.
Lynwood

Very true

[beeje]

Originally Posted by mlh

All tires are the same, round and black. There is no difference in them.
Lynwood

Except for the ones that already blowed up. They're still black but far from round

[CalandLinda]

Originally Posted by mlh

All tires are the same, round and black. There is no difference in them.
Lynwood

LOL!

[mlh]

I meant mew ones.
Lynwood

[whutfles]

Regarding the weight recertification, tell your insurance Agent that you recertified your weight and ask if they would make that notation on your policy. Ask him to certify that they will still insure you and cover your liability with those mods and with what you are pulling. It's better to find out before the accident than after. When they insurred you, they were only aware of the factory certification. You probably have an obligation to advise them that changes have been made to the vehicle and find out how much weight they will insure you to pull.

[jimc100]

I have been towing awhile and like many I’ve had my adventures with the E rated ST China bombs. I solved the problem on my Bighorn by going over to the Michelin ribs LT and never had another problem.
Ordered my 2017 Motama 3160 with GY G614’s and have had no problems. The Sailuns seem to be great tires but I think I am going to spend the extra money and buy American 🇺🇸.