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Old 06-30-2012, 03:35 PM   #1
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will a duramax 2500hd handle a montana 3750 dont want any bigger truck
 
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Old 06-30-2012, 03:43 PM   #2
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You will have to check the maximum weight of the 3750 against the truck tow rating. The numbers don't lie. Do not over load the tow vehicle. It can be very dangerous.
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will a duramax 2500hd handle a montana 3750 dont want any bigger truck
I just researched the heck out of this. We bought a 3750FL and because of the weights involved, you really need a one ton, preferably a dually in my opinion. You cannot go by the brochure weights here. My F-350 DRW has a payload of 3,720 pounds as per the camper certification - not the 5,990 pounds as per the brochure. The estimated pin weight on the Montana is about 3,100 pounds which only leaves 620 pounds for fuel, hitch, etc. in the bed. My opinion and research say a one ton DRW for the 40' Montana's.

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will a duramax 2500hd handle a montana 3750 dont want any bigger truck
A 3500 single rear wheel truck isn't any bigger, it's just rated at a higher capacity because it has heavier rear springs, and higher rated wheels and tires. Other wise, it's the same size as the 2500.
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Old 07-01-2012, 02:08 AM   #5
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One ton dually is what the book says.
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Old 07-01-2012, 02:22 AM   #6
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You will be pushing the envelope. Having said that, I see 3/4 tons pulling heavy fivers all the time. There are plenty of past threads and discussions on the liabilities/negatives associated with pulling overweight. You can do a search on this forum for further insight.
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Old 07-01-2012, 02:31 AM   #7
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We have a 3750 and a 2500HD CC, 4x4 with diesel. Long story short - wish I had a heavier truck. 3500 SRW has heavier duty tires and wheels, same axle. Dually would be better choice.
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Old 07-01-2012, 04:28 AM   #8
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So I had mine on the cat scales and here is the breakdown. I have a 2011 ford f350 srw 6.7 cc short bed.
Front axle 4980 (rated for 6000) rear axle 5680 (rated for 7000) trailer axles 10280. Gross weight 20940. Truck weight is between 8300 and 8500 depending on how I'm loaded. So 20940-8300 = 12640 of trailer weight. Which mean I have roughly 2400lbs of pin weight. I'm guessing you will be over your weights a bit. The truck will pull it it's how comfortable you feel being outside the stated capacities of your truck. I don't get into the legal mumbojumbo. There is rv net for that. But facts are facts and those are mine.
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Old 07-01-2012, 04:34 AM   #9
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The 2500HD will not legally handle the weights of a 3750FL. I had a 2004 Chevy 2500HD that I towed my 04 3400RL with and had no issues. I've since traded in my 2500HD and went with a 3500HD Ram as I am trading in my 3400RL next week for something heavier. If you want to stay within all the weight ratings, you will either need to upgrade your truck or downgrade your desired 5th wheel.
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The 2500HD will not legally handle the weights of a 3750FL. I had a 2004 Chevy 2500HD that I towed my 04 3400RL with and had no issues. I've since traded in my 2500HD and went with a 3500HD Ram as I am trading in my 3400RL next week for something heavier. If you want to stay within all the weight ratings, you will either need to upgrade your truck or downgrade your desired 5th wheel.
Good advice, you need more truck or less RV.
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Old 07-01-2012, 10:35 AM   #11
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Since the 3750 a newer model of 5th wheel, they are heavier than units from the past. Calculate about 20% of the GTWR will be on the rear of the truck and you'll probably find that after that weight, the weight of the hitch itself, and any gear you put in the truck bed or carry in the cab and you'll probably exceed the GVWR, RAWR or something else in the truck. While these trucks are rated to carry very high GTWRs, the truck has to be empty to do it!

I think a late model 3750 is too heavy for a Chevy 2500. I'm guessing a Ford F-250 that typically has higher ratings is still too low too. And because of this I even think a SRW 1 ton with a diesel will require lots of load balancing checks.

I'd go for an older, lesser weight fiver with a GTWR of 14,500 or less, not what the brochure says you can pull. Keep in mind that if ANY Rating is over (combined, gross, axle or individual wheel), then you are overweight. Do not look at shipping, unladen or curb weights - Look at the highest weight ratings, always, then hope you are never over those.
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Old 07-01-2012, 03:24 PM   #12
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A 3500 single rear wheel truck isn't any bigger, it's just rated at a higher capacity because it has heavier rear springs, and higher rated wheels and tires. Other wise, it's the same size as the 2500.
Like Tom S said. Some of the 2500 Chevys have 245 tires so heaver tires and rear springs would, I think be in order.
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Don't see where you say what year the truck is or the diff ratio. The newere trucks have a higher tow rating however it is doubtfull the 3/4 ton will fall within spec's with the larger Montana's. Some of the younger 1 ton trucks do not. The numbers will tell the story.
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Past experience has taught me that towing too much trailer will cause extra mechanical problems down the road- In my opinion, as expressed by others who responded to your request, you NEED a dually to tow with unless you only tow locally on weekends, etc.- JHMO- Don
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Old 07-03-2012, 08:34 AM   #15
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I disagree on needing a dually. I just did a thousand mile plus round trip from Michigan to Virginia beach two weeks ago. I tow with a 2011 f350 single rear wheel diesel. I have no mods to truck or trailer. As you can see from an earlier post having weighed at the cat scale I'm well below all weights. The truck pulls the heck out of the trailer and with engine and exhaust braking it stops it just as effortlessly. I dually might add a little more side to side stabilization and more off the line get up with a different rear end but needed? Im proof that's not true.
All that being said if I had the money and a third vehicle to drive I would like a dually just for the 4:10 rear end. According to trucks computer I averaged 11.6 round trip going 65 as much as possible although there was a lot of stop and go around d.c. (note to self, don't ever pull a 40 ft trailer thru d.c. Ever again!)
Anyway to each his own I'm not trying to start a debate about srw vs drw just my experience.
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Old 07-03-2012, 08:51 AM   #16
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If the SRW truck falls within all the specs then that is the proper truck.It is usually the pin weight and or the carry capacity that will get you. Carry capacity of couse includes the pin weight.
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Old 07-03-2012, 10:02 AM   #17
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It would be good to hear from someone who has the camper certification for a late model single rear wheel. That is what I keep going to for my determination. My camper certification for the DRW is only 3,720 pounds, and I am new to all this, but wouldn't the payload always be less for a SRW given the identical truck less two rear wheels? Allowing 20% for pin weight on our 3750FL only leaves 620 pounds for hitch, fuel, etc...


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Old 07-03-2012, 10:44 AM   #18
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Yes the Dually gives you increased payload therefore incresed Pin weight. The pin weight is most often overlooked when determining what truck one needs.
These trucks will pull any Montana. Pulling within all spec,s if that is a concern to you is another story.
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Old 07-03-2012, 04:45 PM   #19
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I agree with the above. My truck with camper on comes in jjust shy of 10700 still gives me 800 pounds to play with in or on the truck and still be under the 11500 my truck is rated for. With a 3/4 ton I believe on a ford the best you can get is a 10000 pound rating. Same trailer with a 250 and I'm 700 pounds over with my 350 I'm 800 under. At the end of the day I don't think my 350 makes me a whole lot safer then if I had 250 but I like being within the moco ratings.
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Old 07-04-2012, 03:21 AM   #20
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The number to look at are..

The GVW of the truck.
The stated carry capacity.
The actual weight of the truck ready to tow. Subtract that from the GVW of the truck to get the real carry capacity of the truck.

the real pin weight of the 5th wheel and if that falls in the CC you have left. you are good. Don't forget to check the tire load ratings of the rear tires.
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