New Ford Powerstroke - Montana Owners Club

lightningjack11 · 08-15-2006, 05:39 PM

According to Trailer Life Ford is revamping the Power Stroke to a new 6.4L engine with piezo-electric fuel injection system to meet new emmission requirements.

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Bluegill · 08-15-2006, 06:39 PM

Thats what I heard as well. Purchased an '06 just in time. I didnt want to be a test guy for Ford while they work the bugs out of it.

I hear that you can still get an '07 with the 6.0L.

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sreigle · 08-16-2006, 05:01 AM

I heard they want to do some more testing, which means not all the bugs are gone yet, and will start the new model year with the 6.0, switching to the 6.4 in January. Apparently the law refers to calendar year and not model year. All those stickers on the diesel pumps saying it is against the law to put low sulpher diesel in 2007 and later vehicles apparently is not quite correct.

The numbers war continues and Ford has the next volley. I read the 6.4 will have something like 660 pound-feet of torque. I forgot the HP number. So who is next and with what number? I saw a test on the LBZ Duramaz with 650 lb-ft and it was good. I look forward to seeing a similar test on the 6.4. Now we know why that stronger frame, brakes, and frontend came out with the 2005 model Fords.

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lightningjack11 · 08-16-2006, 05:13 AM

I just wonder if the new 6.4 will have the growing pains that the 6L did. Hopefully it will be testes thoroughly before introducing it.

Anyone know who is going to make the 6.4L ?

I have thought for some time now that Ford might go with Cummings.

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hazmic · 08-16-2006, 05:20 AM

I talked to a my dealer who also sells Dodge and look for a new Cummins coming out. It will 6 cyl and 6.something. Kind of funny why they stick with the Cummins[very good motor] instead of Mercedes.

Mickey,Mary and Wilson[the westie]2006 3475 5th wheel 2000 f350 crew cab dually diesel

richfaa · 08-16-2006, 05:36 AM

Just returned from my friendly Ford dealer for my 6K maint on the F-350. Picked up a in house Ford publication entitled
"Super Trucker" Here are some interesting excerpts.. The cost implications of the new diesel regulations..Cost estimate range from a low of 3500 to a high of 8000 in "additional cost"
also when addressing the commercial market they are asking does the customer truck really need to be replaced in the next year or so and can we offer a gas engine alternative to save the customer money..Interesting????

Rich& Helen N.Ridgeville,Ohio.

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Cat320 · 08-16-2006, 08:35 AM

I agree with the earlier posters...American car/truck manufacturers do a horrible job of bringing out new models of anything. They spend months and sometimes years (and many millions of $$$) working out the bugs. Glad I'm getting an 07 Silverado "Classic."

lightningjack11 · 08-16-2006, 08:56 AM

Good luck Cat. 2007 may be a bad year for all of them since they all must run on ULSD only and have to make changes to do that. Only time will tell.

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Wrenchtraveller · 08-16-2006, 09:18 AM

They have been talking about the 6.4 for over a year now on the FTE forum. It is still made by Navistar ( International )

The story is Ford is working very hard to release a relatively trouble free new engine. The 6.0's poor debut cost Ford many customers and even made die hard diesel truck owners like me change to gas. I drove diesels for over 11 years and I was certain I would never go back to gas. My 2004 sick.O changed all that.

Ford has had first year release success stories in the past. The gas V10 is one of them. Since 98 when they first came out, they have enjoyed a good reputation and in the plant I work at, the Protection Dept. just retired their 98 F450 V10. That engine only had 130000 miles but countless idling hours. They chose to replace it with another V10.

The Superduty model itself came out in 98, was called a 99, and has been a very solid model for Ford with the Kentucky Ford plant running flat out to keep up with the demand. The Navistar PSD 7.3 is a great engine. I sure hope the new 6.4 will be even better and if I was a real high mileage driver and wanted another diesel, it would be a Cummins, or a Duramax or even the new 6.4. You could not even give me another sick.0 Take care and enjoy your trucks.

Don & Donna
Vancouver Island
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richfaa · 08-16-2006, 09:38 AM

Wrenchtraveller..Was at my Ford dealer today for 6K maint..I thought I had noticed a slight hesitation on my 05 V-10 while on our trip but could not see it on the tach.. It occured only under load(sometimes). (towing the 3400) in fact I thought I was chucking.. anyhow I mentioned it to them and they came back with a "Special service message" 19276.. 2005-2007 SD 6.8L, cold start hesitation/ runs rough on acceleration...Ford knows it exsist and are working on a fix..Says to monitor oasis for updates...you may want to check that out...

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Wrenchtraveller · 08-16-2006, 11:02 AM

Thanks Rich, I only have 12000 miles on mine. It has never missed a beat and it tows very well. My 3200 mile trip included some 8% grades at up to 4000 ft elevation. I could do 60 mph with no hesitation but she would suck gas pretty good under these conditions. It now costs me 400 bucks CAD to fill my truck and 50 gal auxilary tank. Thank heavans I get travel pay.

This truck has only been back to a Ford dealer once for the fuel line clip recall. They would not let me do it myself. All my servicing is done by me and if this truck is really good , it won't see a Ford service bay for many years.

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Cat320 · 08-16-2006, 11:46 AM

lightningjack11....the 2007 "Classic" should be exactly like the 2006, except the title will say '2007'. The word is the new body 2007 HDs will not be produced until Mar/Apr 2007.

lightningjack11 · 08-16-2006, 01:58 PM

Cat,

Then your saying the 2007 model engines will not be changed for ULSD??
I thought there had to be some changes.

Thanks for pointing that out. Oh wait, the Classic must not be a Diesel, right?

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Cat320 · 08-16-2006, 02:04 PM

Not on the classic. I have posted this before, but I'll do it again:

"You can get an '07 (will be identical to the '06), it will be called a 'classic.' The new model 1500s will start production in Jan 2007, 2500/3500s will not start production until Mar/Apr. This is from two Chevy dealers...I asked the GM guy but he did not know anything (about anything). Also, the 2007s will have around a $2500 price increase to cover the new emission controls. Neither dealer knew if the price increase would be passed on to just diesel owners, all truck owners or all GM owners. They also said the engine would be 'tweaked' so as not to lose any power. My plan is to get a 'classic'...same price, same engine and I'll have it...no telling when the new version of the 2007s will get to the guy on the street."

As a follow up, I did order a classic, and it was to have been built last week and should be here any day...3500, D/A, DRW, CC, 4x2. I'll keep you posted.

Glenn and Lorraine · 08-16-2006, 02:27 PM

From what I understand and what sreigle pointed out earlier the law refers to calendar year 2007 and not model year. All vehicles built PRIOR to Jan, 1 2007 will be exempt from the new laws and will be able to run the low sulpher fuels.

Cat320 · 08-16-2006, 02:39 PM

Sounds about right.

rickety · 08-16-2006, 02:41 PM

Think I'll just hang on to my 2004 Duramax until these idiots in the industry decide what the heck they're going to do.
I love this truck and with only 26000 miles on it I think I can probably get by for ohhh at least another 200,000 miles.

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Glenn and Lorraine · 08-16-2006, 02:52 PM

Kinda glad I have an 05 although an 06 with the added HP would have been nice. Problem I see with the January 07's is just how available will the new fuel be? The older hi sulphur fuel will be around for many many years as there are just too many big rigs running the hiways on the low sulphur. Don't expect to see many stations carrying the new fuel for a few years to come.

Cat320 · 08-16-2006, 03:23 PM

You have all touched on the reasons I want the Classic...will the new fuel be available, will the new engine be trouble free, when could I get one, the price is going up...basically, if it ain't broke don't fix it. The D/A is fine the way it is.

William H. Collier · 08-16-2006, 03:52 PM

It is my understanding that Calif. is already 100% ULSD and is compatable with the older diesels. They have put an addative in it so it wont damage the the old engines. The refiners are not going to be producing both, once they switch that will be it, and Iam reading that will be next year. Fords new 08 model 250-350 is supposed to be on display at the Texas State Fair next month, and at the dealers in Jan 07, it will have the new body style and the 6.4 350hp.
Bill

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