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Old 04-08-2006, 09:01 AM   #21
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Thanks for the siping info. I'll consider that when we replace the tires.

Darwin, are you saying the Long Trails are better riding and longer lasting than even the Rugged Trails? If so, I'll look into getting those when we replace these. That 10k to 15k miles is about 3 1/2 to 5 months for us. We do get into snow in the KC area in the winter but the four wheel drive will take care of that, like you.

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Old 04-08-2006, 10:11 AM   #22
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Yes Steve, that is exactly what I am saying! Your Rugged Trails are better rated for wear and ride than my All-terrains were but according to Goodrich the Long Trails are even better than the Rugged Trails. Go to bfgoodrichtires.ca and select tires, then pick up and click these models for a comparison chart. Prior to this I was hooked on the All-terrains. We will see if the specs are true in the future!!!
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Old 04-09-2006, 03:20 AM   #23
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I think that Steve runs 17 inch tires. Look at the size chart on the BFG website. Appears as though they don't make the Long Trail in an LT 17inch tire.
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Old 04-09-2006, 04:18 AM   #24
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I have Michelin 265R17 that came on my Dodge, they now have 68,000 miles and 8 32nd tread left, the spare has 17 so they should be good for over 100k. I have towed about 20k and the rest is highway travel. I have also had good luck with Goodrich, not goodyear, Ithink Goodrich is owned by Michelin now.
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Old 04-09-2006, 12:12 PM   #25
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Sure enough. 10 vs 8 on treadwear and ride and wet handling. Interestingly, the Commercial T/A All Season I just put on the Montana also show treadwear 10. Hopefully they'll last a long time.

Virgil, I checked the sizes after reading your post. You are correct they do not show LT265/70R17 LR E in the Long Trail but they do in the Rugged Trail. I emailed them to ask if that's correct.. I assume it is but asked anyhow.

Jerry, thanks. I've had Michelins and they've been good tires but I didn't get the kind of mileage you are getting. Do you have the LTX M/S? I'm not sure that's the correct designation. Also, how much towing have you done on those tires (roughly). We do quite a bit of towing and that puts considerably more weight on the rear tires.
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Old 04-09-2006, 03:21 PM   #26
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I'm following this post with interest. I also have been running Michelin LT245/70/R16Es forever and noticed that since I began towing, the rears are wearing not quite twice as rapidly as the fronts. I'm, pretty sure I'm going to try something else next time.
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Old 04-10-2006, 11:53 AM   #27
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Virgil, what pressure do you run in the rears when towing? I air mine up to 80 psi for towing.

Got a reply from BFG. As you said, there is no 17 incher in the Long Trail line. They said the chart is correct but to check back periodically for new sizes. Maybe if enough people enquire about the 17 inch tires they'll add this to the Long Trail line? Meanwhile I'll be very happy with another set of Rugged Trails, if I ever manage to wear this out. That should be by mid-summer at the current rate of mileage accumulation.
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Old 04-10-2006, 03:40 PM   #28
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Steve,

Been running 80psi in the rear and about 70 in the front on the TV. Run 80psi all the time in the fiver tires. It is the rears on the TV that are showing the high wear. My truck is older and I run 16s so I think I'll try the Long Trails next time. I hope to get up to Alaska and back to GA on these Michelins but we'll see.
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Old 04-10-2006, 07:24 PM   #29
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I would worry about mgn warranty as if they thought it was better they would offer them. not having to have some after market doing it. And what I see around here working in these tire places they are low pay and change people all the time. I have never had a tire place around here ever mention sipping. I see the big commercial tires having those sips but they are coming from the maker of them. The ones I see that we use on the school buses that is. I am not saying sipping not good, just that having other then the manufacturer do it. I would think give the tire company grounds to void warranty. Can they be ordered with the sipping from factory?
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Old 04-10-2006, 08:54 PM   #30
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My Toyo tires have factory sips in them, and to answer your question. No, siping does not void the manufacturer warranty; I have had all my tires on many, many vehicles siped. The tire shop does it for me and the cost is around $9-10 a tire. In my opinion it is sure worth the extra money.
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Old 04-12-2006, 05:18 AM   #31
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Is sipping the same as "shaving"? I am under the impression shaving is done primarily on new tires. Supposedly gives a much better ride and additional mileage.
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Old 04-12-2006, 05:30 AM   #32
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Thunderman, I think shaving refers to making the tire perfectly round by "shaving " off some of the high spots. I haven't heard of that being done in a long time. Some folks sipe their tires, whic is a process of making very fine cuts across the tread of the tire. I personally don't see the need for either one, but there may be some merit to it.
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Old 04-12-2006, 05:33 AM   #33
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Steve; To sipe a tire, they cut relatively shallow slits 1/16 inch apart and 3/16 deep across the tire. It gives the tread a squeegee effect when starting or stopping on wet/slippery roads. It does not detract in any way from tire life or safety. Ran siped tires for years on the big rigs.
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Thunderman: Above is the explanation I gave Steve on siping. I've not heard of "shaving" except in the event a tire is 'out of round' due to a heavy seam or something similar.
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Old 04-12-2006, 07:18 AM   #34
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Shaving or rounding the tire was a common thing to have done years ago many tire shops did it .folks did it on Race cars.
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Old 04-12-2006, 03:22 PM   #35
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I used to both shave and sipe the tires on my little
Austin Healey bug-eye Sprite when I was ice racing during the fur rendevous in Anchorage many years ago. The tires seemd to hold a line better with the shaving and the siping gave us a lot mor traction on ice.kinda miss the racing a times.
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Old 04-12-2006, 04:05 PM   #36
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I used to both shave and sipe the tires on my little
Austin Healey bug-eye Sprite when I was ice racing during the fur rendevous in Anchorage many years ago. The tires seemd to hold a line better with the shaving and the siping gave us a lot mor traction on ice.kinda miss the racing a times.
Mine was a 1981 280Z and my tires were shaved.It is good to have round tires.. That Z would only go fast.
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Old 04-13-2006, 06:51 AM   #37
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Shaving, where I came from was called truing. It was done because no tire was truly round. Vehicle rode better and tires lasted longer.
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Thanks for the info on shaving or truing tires. Might have it done on the next set of tires.

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