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Old 12-05-2021, 11:58 AM   #1
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California Trying Generator Ban

According to this article, California is hoping to ban the sale and use of portable generators. https://www.rvtravel.com/legislation...ers-rvt-1029b/
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Unfortunately, the only people who can resolve this issue and change the appropriate legislation are the people who have residence in California. For the rest of the country, thank-you for sharing this bit of information. For those who boom-dock, this is priceless information.
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Old 12-05-2021, 12:48 PM   #3
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Curious if California can over rule federal regulations?
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Old 12-05-2021, 12:49 PM   #4
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for the last couple of years where have generators been use the most duh maybe california and we vote those people in!
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Old 12-05-2021, 12:55 PM   #5
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I don’t know that generators are the included. Looks more like they’re going after lawn equipment. I wrote contracts in my last job and “definitions” are key.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB1346
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Old 12-05-2021, 01:13 PM   #6
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Everyone play nice and don’t get too political or slam California. The draft proposal specifically says “new” small engines produced after “January 1, 2024".

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First, this bill was introduced in Feb and has not passed. Second, it has the wiggle words "adopt cost-effective and technologically feasible regulations to prohibit engine exhaust and evaporative emissions from new small off-road engines,". Third, it acknowledges a problem with "Expected availability of zero-emission generators and emergency response equipment." (a huge issue for emergency response teams), and lastly, it bans SALES of new equipment in CA if, and when, it takes effect. You may continue to use any existing equipment you have despite the new potential regulations.
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Thanks, Carl. I know some members are already having trouble with finding generators in California. The article in rvtravel made it sound like no generators at all.
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"Bans sales of new equipment..."

I see a (black) market opportunity for some. ��
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I expect the commercial stuff (and generators) will eventually get emissions and residential will go lithium powered. I graduated from high school in Southern California and remember well the yellow smog blanket over the LA basin that would burn your eyes and back of your throat . If the wind was right would make it all the way to the San Jacinto/Gorgonio pass.
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California's long term goal is to do away with the use of all fossil fuels. This small engine deal is just one more facet. Other larger issues are well in progress to their goal. It will affect RVing before you know it.
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Old 12-12-2021, 02:24 PM   #12
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Thanks, Carl. I know some members are already having trouble with finding generators in California. The article in rvtravel made it sound like no generators at all.


There is not a generator shortage in CA. HD and Lowes stocks them on the shelves! Costco's even sell them! Small lawnmower shops also have them. Not sure where people are getting their info from?
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There is not a generator shortage in CA. HD and Lowes stocks them on the shelves! Costco's even sell them! Small lawnmower shops also have them. Not sure where people are getting their info from?
The law is set to take affect in the near future. Not a current shortage. Besides, it's CA. I would have believed it even without reading about the law.
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Just put in a generator in our house in CA this year, there is no shortage, as a matter of fact it's recommended to have one in case of power outages.

Even if they do ban their sale (like other things), it's a short trip to Oregon, Nevada or Arizona.
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Lots of Californians will be buying their lawn mowers, leaf blowers, snow throwers, etc in Nevada and Oregon when the law goes into effect.
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Fo some reason school house rock comes to mind... specifically the version teaching kids the difference between a bill and a law.
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Old 12-12-2021, 08:47 PM   #17
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Folks like to slam california
Cant say its not sometimes deserved but not always.
I recently purchased a generator after experiencing a extended power failure in socal due to a Edison eq failure issue… Harbor freight was fully stocked and purchasing a genny was not difficult At all… they had plenty of stock.. yes just like electric cars things may change in the future but i don't see generators going away….
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Ron ( Rames14) might be using me as the person having a problem finding a CALIFORNIA LEGAL honda EU2200I generator, and for those dismissing his statement, you might be right, but find me a EU2200I california legal generator, please. Unless my google fu is bad, they aren't available, and verified by all the Honda sales companies within 100 miles of me plus online searches. One nearby dealer had told me Honda is pulling out of the California market due to CARB laws. And I asked to email me when one is in stock, doubt he'd make that up vs making a sale when they might show up.

I was told directly by Honda, about a week after calling the local Honda dealers, that they got 200 california units in the USA. I found one at Camping world and ordered it, the next day Sportsmans Warehouse had them, I put it in my cart and the next day they AND camping world sold out!


3 days ago I went to my local ( stockton) Honda-Yamaha motors dealer ( on the way home from getting propane), and asked where their generators were as they were not on the floor. Guy said he has a few California generators in the back on a pallet and Honda contacted them and said to not sell them. They said they would send a truck to come get them soon. He inquired why as he had a list of folks on a wait list, they told him ( or actually he told me) that Honda messed up and got caught, labeling non -ca smog ok units and selling them as CARB COMPLIANT, while they were not . I located Plenty of 49 state models online, Nobody would ship to California, some even online carts refused to complete the order due to my location!

Not sure if the dealer was correct, but it doesn't surprise me. I've been on an "email when available" for a honda water pump for 3 months, based on the first reports of the above law their interpretation was generators and pumps will be restricted, and I am going to order a pump and fire it up ( to make sure it doesn't have COVID ASSEMBLY and probably store it, or resell it after the law changes, lol.



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Gov. Gavin Newsom signed a new law on Saturday that orders state regulators to ban the sale of new gas-powered equipment using small off-road engines (25 gross horsepower or less), a broad category that includes generators, lawn equipment, pressure washers, chainsaws, weed trimmers, and golf carts.

The Los Angeles Times reports the new law requires all new small-motor equipment primarily used for landscaping to be zero-emission, which means they must be essentially battery-operated or plug-in.

The California Air Resources Board has already started working on a rule to do this – a lengthy process scheduled to conclude early next year. But the new law removes any doubt, ordering the agency to apply the new rule by Jan. 1, 2024, or as soon as regulators determine is "feasible," whichever date is later.

This excerpt is dated mid-October.
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The bill AB-1346, was signed by the Gov. on October 9, 2021. Once again it directs the CARB to "adopt cost-effective and technologically feasible regulations" by July 1, 2022 and in doing so consider a number of points, the most notable for this discussion is "(E) Expected availability of zero-emission generators and emergency response equipment.".

Source: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...02120220AB1346

Given current technology and lobbying influence, finding or developing an alternative for generators is doubtful. Remember, due to PG&E's infrastructure issues, home generator systems for when PG&E shuts off power it a booming business here.
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