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Old 05-10-2022, 12:34 PM   #1
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Texas DL class for over 26,000 pounds

My first post with lots of detail disappeared when I tried to review. So, the short version with no review is does anyone know the details (forms and process) of getting a Texas drivers license endorsement for non-commercial over 26,000 pounds combined weight? Thank you.
 
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Old 05-10-2022, 07:56 PM   #2
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A call to one of our DMV offices will get you the most up to date info. I went from Class A CDL to regular Cass A many years ago. No longer wanted to pay the extra for the CDL endorsement that I no longer used. Many farmers and ranchers utilize the Class A non CDL. I suspect most of the test info will come straight out of the CDL manual though. I know the troupers in our area are great to work with. Good luck and let us know how you come out.
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Old 05-10-2022, 08:03 PM   #3
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Heard it's a fairly easy written test Also said you have three tries. Followed up by a driving test. DMV requires you make an appointment for written test.
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Old 05-10-2022, 09:29 PM   #4
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Here is the written info. I was just under 26,000 so didn’t have to do it.

https://itstillruns.com/requirements...e-6046351.html
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Old 05-11-2022, 12:40 AM   #5
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Your max trailer weight limit is 14200. So I am pretty sure you will be well under the 26000 weight.
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Old 05-11-2022, 01:17 AM   #6
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Your max trailer weight limit is 14200. So I am pretty sure you will be well under the 26000 weight.
Not exactly. A 2019 3731FL has a dry weight of 13.394, a cargo capacity of 3,286 for a GVWR of 16.680.

Source (there are many but here is one): https://www.keystonervsource.com/spe...3731fl-tr37985

A 2021 F350 crew cab dually is easily over 9,000 lbs (loaded) with a GVWR of 14,000 or so.

Depending of the TX interpretation of their 26,001 lb limit the weight of the RV and the weight of the truck put it close, if not over, the limit. If they use just GVWR ratings of both vehicles (which wouldn't suprise me), then the combo is definitely over the limit.
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Old 05-11-2022, 09:58 AM   #7
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Texas specifies a GCWR of 26,001 lbs which is the combined total of the GVWR of the tow vehicle and the GVWR of the trailer.
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Double check Texas Class A Exempt (non-CDL) - believe it might also be required if trailer is over 10,000 Lbs. So being under 26001 could still require the license.
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Double check Texas Class A Exempt (non-CDL) - believe it might also be required if trailer is over 10,000 Lbs. So being under 26001 could still require the license.
This one is not clear. Per the Texas DMV for class A the requirement is;

“A vehicle or combination of vehicles with a gross combination weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 lbs. or more, provided the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle(s) towed is in excess of 10,000 lbs.”

Notice the “provided the …is in excess of 10,000 lbs.” Seems to imply 26,001 AND 10,000. Meaning under 26,001 does not apply.

Class B requirement is;

“A single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,001 lbs. or more and any such vehicle towing either a vehicle with a GVWR that does not exceed 10,000 lbs. or a farm trailer with a GVWR that does not exceed 20,000 lbs.“

Here it says 26,001 AND towed vehicle under 10,000 lbs.

And class C (the basic license);

A single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of less than 26,001 lbs. towing a trailer not to exceed 10,000 lbs. GVWR or a farm trailer with a GVWR that does not exceed 20,000 lbs

But here it says a class C is for a trailer not to exceed 10,000. Which all Montanas do exceed.

So. Which actually applies? Looks like an oversight in wording. I towed 14 years on a class C on this technicality because my GCWR was around 25,700 lbs but was never stopped and checked. Had the statute ready to pull out and show the LEO if stopped but never had to test it.
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Old 05-11-2022, 03:41 PM   #10
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Here's some info from Escapee's Guide to Texas Driver's License:

"The table below can help you determine whether you need more than a Class C license in Texas to legally operate your rig. Find the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) of your motorhome or tow vehicle in the first column, the GVWR of your trailer or toad in the second column and the combined GVWR of both vehicles in the third column. The last column shows the class of license you will need.

Be aware that all the regulations use GVWR, which is the maximum weight for which the vehicle is rated. Your vehicle’s actual weight (gross vehicle weight or GVW) does not matter. "

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Like BB_TX, I've been towing for nearly 20 years on Class C License based on the same interpretation (Prowler, Everest, Montana 3850FL and now a 3791RD)
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Old 05-12-2022, 09:02 AM   #11
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Can't speak much about Texas DMV requirements but I would look for the non-commercial class A. Or a class A with restrictions. No sense in dealing with air brake systems.
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Old 05-12-2022, 11:15 AM   #12
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question about this thread

I may be suffering from some brain fog here, but looking over this, are these requirements for driving through Texas regardless of home registration, or for if registered within Texas? I have an Ohio Class D motor vehicle driver's license with no trailer endorsements and I was trying to think logistically if it's required to have a particular state's license requirements met when traveling through. I'd like to head through Texas next year but am not really interested in getting a specialized license to go through the state.
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State driver's license requirements are for drivers of vehicles registered in that state. Other states have a reciprocity agreement with other states where "if you are legal there then you are legal here"
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Thanks Carl! I figured I was having some kind of brain fog.
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I goofed somehow! I don't have any idea where I got the 14,000 weight of the rig! lol
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The odds that a cop will take you to a scale is pretty slim. Most states don't have the funds to have cope watch for Campers that might be over weight.
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The odds that a cop will take you to a scale is pretty slim. Most states don't have the funds to have cope watch for Campers that might be over weight.
They would not have to take you to a scale. The weights are based on the GVWR, not the scaled weight. And the GVWRs are on the stickers on your truck and trailer. So a simple traffic stop could do it. Still not likely they would check unless someone did something to get on their wrong side. Like going 60 in a 35 in their small town. Or blantantly running a red light. Or they were just “that type”.
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They would not have to take you to a scale. The weights are based on the GVWR, not the scaled weight. And the GVWRs are on the stickers on your truck and trailer. So a simple traffic stop could do it. Still not likely they would check unless someone did something to get on their wrong side. Like going 60 in a 35 in their small town. Or blantantly running a red light. Or they were just “that type”.
They still couldn't get you for over weight. They will not know what you have in your trailer unless the weight it. They will not ever going to stop you unless you are spending. If dumb enough to go 60 in a 35 you should go to jail.
People are worried about there weight. Take it to Cat Scale and weigh it.
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They still couldn't get you for over weight. They will not know what you have in your trailer unless the weight it. They will not ever going to stop you unless you are spending. If dumb enough to go 60 in a 35 you should go to jail.
People are worried about there weight. Take it to Cat Scale and weigh it.
In Texas (and some other states) you are required to have a class A non CDL if your GCWR (combined rated weights) is 26,001 lbs. That is the RATED weight, not the ACTUAL weight. On a scale your truck and trailer may weight 24,000 lbs. But if the combined sticker rated weights (GVWR) of the truck and trailer total 26,001 lbs then you are required to have a class A non CDL. So they do not have to know your actual weight to give a ticket if they were so inclined. And not likely to do so unless they pulled you over for some other infraction, which could be as simple as failing to give a turn signal or not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign.
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In Texas (and some other states) you are required to have a class A non CDL if your GCWR (combined rated weights) is 26,001 lbs. That is the RATED weight, not the ACTUAL weight. On a scale your truck and trailer may weight 24,000 lbs. But if the combined sticker rated weights (GVWR) of the truck and trailer total 26,001 lbs then you are required to have a class A non CDL. So they do not have to know your actual weight to give a ticket if they were so inclined. And not likely to do so unless they pulled you over for some other infraction, which could be as simple as failing to give a turn signal or not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign.
Your wrong. If the cops want to give a ticket for being over weight they have to take you to a DOT scale. I have a CDL and drove over the road for 30 years. They have to take you to a scale to give you a ticket.
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