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Old 10-20-2020, 09:17 AM   #1
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Red face Oven - How Does This Silly Thing Work?

Okay kiddos - all I want to do is bake some brownies ... I preheated the oven (well I think I did) and I never heard it "ping" that it is up to temperature. How long does it take to preheat the oven and how do you know it is actually 350 degrees? Sorry, I know it is a silly question, but I can't find any information in the manuals that were included in our Keystone package.

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Old 10-20-2020, 09:32 AM   #2
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The ovens just aren't that sophisticated in our RV's. Gas heats to temp pretty quickly. You can light it and wait 5 minutes or so and it should be good to go. You can also get a thermometer to set in the oven to make sure.


Helpful tip: Get yourself a 12" x 12" square pizza stone to keep in the oven. It will help a lot in distributing the heat so your brownies don't burn in the center.
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Old 10-20-2020, 09:45 AM   #3
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I preheat mine for 10 minutes and it's fine. Get an oven thermometer and check it with your home oven. Then put it in the rv oven to determine actual temps. I've never used a pizza stone and it works fine.
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Old 10-20-2020, 10:41 AM   #4
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Oven thermometer. RV ovens are notorious for wide swings in actual temps vs what the knob says. I think I read in some document, at some time, that +/- 50 degrees was acceptable. DW was having none of that.
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Old 10-20-2020, 12:12 PM   #5
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Okay kiddos - all I want to do is bake some brownies ... I preheated the oven (well I think I did) and I never heard it "ping" that it is up to temperature. How long does it take to preheat the oven and how do you know it is actually 350 degrees? Sorry, I know it is a silly question, but I can't find any information in the manuals that were included in our Keystone package.

Thank you !!

Which oven are you talking about? The one below the burners or the convection oven part of the microwave oven?
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Old 10-20-2020, 01:55 PM   #6
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As mentioned above, RV ovens are not house-hold ovens.

First, they do not "Ping" when up to temperature. Once up to temperature reaches it's setting, the flame on the bottom goes out. The pilot light will stay on, but the burner will go out. Once the temperature drops inside the oven, the thermostat will turn the burner back on. This is exactly how every stove and oven works. Heat is controlled by the heat source kicking on an off at the desired "temperature".

So, in order to know when your oven truly pre-heated, just glance under the bottom shelf and see if the flame is burning. If it is, it's not up to temperature yet. if it's off, it's up to temperature.

Now... about the actual temperature. The knobs on your stove and oven mean ABSOLUTELY nothing. They are mass produced and stuck on every kind of oven imaginable. The temperature settings on them CAN be used as a reference point for setting the temperature the same or different, more or less. BUT THAT is about all. The numbers mean NOTHING... (shouting I know, but understand that, and you'll have success with the oven, instead of burned crispy critters all the time).

As suggested above, get an oven thermometer or a turkey thermometer and get the actual temperature inside the oven and THEN mark, or remember where the oven dial is set. You WILL find the dial can be off as much as 50 degrees from what is marked on it. Now you have a baseline for other settings. Find the baseline setting... 350 degrees and mark that on the dial. Then you can adjust up and down with the turkey thermometer. After using the oven about 3 times, you'll have 200, 250, 300, 350, and 400 down pretty close.

Now, here is another ABSOLUTE tip for using your RV gas oven. At home, you set the dial, shove in the food, set the timer, when it beeps, take the food out and eat.

No, no, no, no.... not in an RV oven. There are reasons why so many people use pizza stones. But we've never used one, because the oven is so small to begin with, if we put one in, there would not be adequate distance to the top to fit a pan!

My wife as become quite the expert on using our oven, and this is how she uses it.

First, use a very low temperature. If you use the temperature required for the recipe or the package, the bottom will be burned and the top raw. So, rule number 1, if the package call for 350 degrees, achieve to reach temperature max about 290. (really! I'm not kidding). Everything has to be done with low heat, or the bottoms turn to nothing but black char.

Now, about every 5 - 7 minutes, you have to open the oven and rotate the pan. Yes, this is a real pain-in-the-neck, but if you don't rotate the pan ever few minutes, one part will be over cooked and another part will still be raw. Sorry, it's just the nature of these ovens.

If you fix your brownies, the brownie mix package directions probably say, 350 degrees for 20-25 minutes in an 8 inch round pan.

First, if you have 2 eight inch pans, bake them only 1 at a time.
Second, set your temperature about 290 degrees (way lower than your dial actually indicates if you have not calibrated the actual temperature to the dial yet).
Third, rotate the pan every 5-7 minutes.
Forth, it will take about 45 minutes actual time to back the brownies as expected.

End result: Bottom will not be burned, top and bottom will be cooked equally, and all spots will be cooked equally. Moist, tender, and yummy.

My wife and started by toasting a single piece of bread in the oven. Do so. it will teach you a lot!

We then moved to breakfast bisquits, like Pillsbury bisquits in one of those pop-open rolls. Yes, the bottoms got a little done the first couple times and she learned to turn the temperature down, down, down, and rotate, rotate, rotate. She then moved to cookies, browning, cakes, and fruit pies. We don't do meats in the oven, that's why we have a griddle and stuff to cook over a fire.

So, take this advise, start with making toast in the oven, learn the temperatures as they actually are, don't rely on the factory marking on the dial, be patient, be attenuative, baby everything that goes into the oven, and you'll have great success. My wife now does absolutely fantastic with it, comes up with some delightful surprises for me all the time now.

Good luck, and happy baking!
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Old 10-20-2020, 06:20 PM   #7
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OMGOSH! You are absolutely amazing!!!! Thank you for all of your knowledge! And I would never think that you were yelling - just emphasizing the facts. We are in the UP with very minimal stores. We didnt think to bring a thermometer of any type - I just had a hankering for some brownies and thought what the heck - its raining so I am going to bake! We definitely will do the toast idea and go from there!

PS - will definitely get the thermometer when we are back in the land of stores! We dont frequent them much when we are camping - only if its a dire need !
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Old 10-20-2020, 06:21 PM   #8
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Yes Bob and Becky - the oven below. Haven’t even tried the convection oven!
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Old 10-20-2020, 09:11 PM   #9
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This type of thermometer would probably be the best, so you can see what the temperature is inside the oven without having to open the door.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotloop-Digit...s%2C683&sr=8-6
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Old 10-25-2020, 02:35 PM   #10
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A couple years we wanted to bake a 'take-n-bake' pizza in the RV oven. I it the oven and then got to thinking about how I was going to tel when it was at 425 degrees. We searched all the cabinets and drawers for an oven thermometer to no avail. then I remembered I have an infrared thermometer in the truck for checking tire and bearing temperatures. Using it for the oven is a little self-defeating because you have to open the door to use it but it did tell us when we could cook the pizza. It turned out nearly as good as at home in the convection oven.
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