|
02-17-2013, 08:52 AM
|
#1
|
Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Augusta
Posts: 67
M.O.C. #12146
|
Electrical
Howdy and thanks in advance for all help.
Not plugged in to shore power.
No power in camper.
12.7 @ battery
The black lead goes to a (splitter?) and then up to a block
with three studs. Center is feed and has voltage, outside
studs that go to hydraulic motor and camper have no voltage.
Ground feeds into a center stud in front of block and has(continuity?) at spade terminals at outside.
This block is riveted closed. What is it? Is this my problem?
|
|
|
02-17-2013, 09:08 AM
|
#2
|
Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Winfield
Posts: 7,327
M.O.C. #6846
|
I believe it is your autoreset breaker and should have no impact on 12V feed to your rig. My first suggestion is to verify that the battery disconnect in your convenience center is not engaged.
Bingo
__________________
Bingo and Cathy - Our adventures begin in the hills of WV. We are blessed by our 2014 3850FL Big Sky (previous 2011 3750FL and 2007 3400RL) that we pull with a 2007 Chevy Silverado Classic DRW CC dually.
|
|
|
02-17-2013, 10:03 AM
|
#3
|
Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Augusta
Posts: 67
M.O.C. #12146
|
Thanks Bingo.
The switch says battery disconnect
and the (wing) of the key is in the on position.
That is horizontal, is that correct?
Thanks Jack
|
|
|
02-17-2013, 10:06 AM
|
#4
|
Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Winfield
Posts: 7,327
M.O.C. #6846
|
I never can remember, what I always do is to use the convenience center or basement light for the indicator. Turn the light on, turn key, repeat until light comes on, then you are sure there is DC power to the rig.
Bingo
On edit: I think on ours ON means it is engaged, seems backwards to me, but it is what it is.
|
|
|
02-17-2013, 10:16 AM
|
#5
|
Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Augusta
Posts: 67
M.O.C. #12146
|
I just tried it in both positions, and still no entrance light in camper in either position. Not even power to tank/battery gauge.
Plug into shore power and every thing reads fine.
|
|
|
02-17-2013, 10:35 AM
|
#6
|
Montana Master
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Kansas City, Missouri
Posts: 2,727
M.O.C. #7992
|
Sounds like you have to be open between your hot from the battery and your 12V distribution center. I'm just not familiar enough with the wiring as to where it runs and where it is fused to help you much. I'd first insure that the battery disconnect switch is not the problem. If you can get to the back of it try jumpering across it or use your vom to insure continuity. Short of that I'd try following it visually. Jim
__________________
2006 3000RK
2009 Ram 2500
|
|
|
02-17-2013, 10:46 AM
|
#7
|
Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 1,308
M.O.C. #5165
|
Bingo, I agree with you--I marked my Battery Disconnect switch with Connected and Disconnected! "ON" for disconnect is confusing! Anyway--hope Jimcol gets the power back on.
__________________
F-250 King Ranch Crew Cab 2012, Single Wheel, 6.7 L Diesel, Transfer Flow Internal 50 Gallon Fuel Tank, Upgraded Ford Software for 50 Gallon tank, 2006 3475Rl with Mor-ryde King Pin, 2nd AC, 2nd Battery, Pressure Pro TPMS, Wet Bolt Shackle Kit
|
|
|
02-17-2013, 11:09 AM
|
#8
|
Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Indian Land
Posts: 1,142
M.O.C. #9808
|
When the Key is horizontal DC Power is on (Key can not be removed when on). Picture is in the ON position.
|
|
|
02-17-2013, 11:46 AM
|
#9
|
Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Winfield
Posts: 7,327
M.O.C. #6846
|
John's post is exactly why I use the light to see when the power is on. I would wager three Amish Craftsmen that some rigs are wired one way and some rigs the other! As Jimcol said, you need to check that the disconnect switch is working properly if you are sure that the DC power is not working in either position. After that, I would have to defer to more knowledgeable electrical gurus.
Bingo
|
|
|
02-17-2013, 12:41 PM
|
#10
|
Montana Fan
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Placerville
Posts: 357
M.O.C. #8962
|
I would start the trouble shooting with first testing the battery, then put a charger on it, 12.7 volts is low, it should be 13.4 or higher. Then I would start testing for 12v power with the battery, then just follow the cables and re test at every connection with a volt meter, or a test light, also make sure your primary ground is good, this should not take that long to find the connection problem, best of luck.
|
|
|
02-17-2013, 12:54 PM
|
#11
|
Montana Master
Join Date: May 2003
Location: New Bern
Posts: 4,295
M.O.C. #311
|
Quote:
quote:Originally posted by Ski Doo
Howdy and thanks in advance for all help.
Not plugged in to shore power.
No power in camper.
12.7 @ battery
The black lead goes to a (splitter?) and then up to a block
with three studs. Center is feed and has voltage, outside
studs that go to hydraulic motor and camper have no voltage.
Ground feeds into a center stud in front of block and has(continuity?) at spade terminals at outside.
This block is riveted closed. What is it? Is this my problem?
|
You say the black lead goes into a splitter (note: on the Montanas they do use the black as the hot 12vdc and white as the ground). The black to the block with three studs (sounds to me like your up or down/in or out for your hydraulics) and not your problem.
Where do the other leads off the splitter go. I agree with others I think you have a bad "resetable" breaker that feed your 12vdc switch in the convenience center. The resetable breaker should have red rubber covers and it should have a metal silver/aluminum body with two studs out and the 12vdc wire. One side should read your 12.7 and so should the other if it does not then that breaker (auto rest) is bad. Normally these are mounted on the back wall on the right hand side.
Sorry that is the best I can do.
|
|
|
02-17-2013, 02:59 PM
|
#12
|
Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: McKinney
Posts: 7,365
M.O.C. #6433
|
Don't know how the newer ones are wired, but on my '07 there are two auto reset circuit breakers. One supplies power to the slide pump, the other supplies power to the rest of the trailer. See picture.
But both of these only have two terminals. The only thing in mine that has three terminals is the block on top of the slide pump.
Is yours anything like this?
__________________
Bill & Patricia
Riley, our Golden
2007 3075RL (recently sold, currently without)
|
|
|
02-17-2013, 03:27 PM
|
#13
|
Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Augusta
Posts: 67
M.O.C. #12146
|
Quote:
quote:Originally posted by BB_TX
Don't know how the newer ones are wired, but on my '07 there are two auto reset circuit breakers. One supplies power to the slide pump, the other supplies power to the rest of the trailer. See picture.
But both of these only have two terminals. The only thing in mine that has three terminals is the block on top of the slide pump.
Is yours anything like this?
|
Hi BB
After leaving the red capped block on the right, the power goes to the center stud on a 3 studded (block) mounted to the right looking at it. Power gets to center stud, but does not exit on two outside studs.
Thanks to all for their help. It's 15 ouside and blowing about 40mph so my interest is fading for tonight. But will have at it tomorrow.
|
|
|
02-17-2013, 04:49 PM
|
#14
|
Montana Master
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Kelowna
Posts: 1,475
M.O.C. #6237
|
On ours the auto breaker failed and we were dry camping with no 12 volt I hooked up the truck we had power. At home I was checking the wires and heard a clicking as I wiggled the wire that went back under the floor and as i wiggled it the lights went on and off so I changed the breaker and no more trouble. The black wire goes back under the trailer where the main power Cable comes into the battery area.
|
|
|
02-17-2013, 10:59 PM
|
#15
|
Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Augusta
Posts: 67
M.O.C. #12146
|
Don, my guess is the "auto breaker", also. That seems to be the last place that power
Is behaving properly. (On the feed stud)
I will try to check mine out today.
|
|
|
02-18-2013, 02:17 AM
|
#16
|
Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Augusta
Posts: 67
M.O.C. #12146
|
A call to my dealer and said to press reset buttons on breakers, none to be found.
Took out 25 amp fuses on power panel to check for a bad one, none found, replaced them, and .......... a green panel light came on and the interior lights came on.
All seems to be working fine now.
Thanks to all for your help.
Jack
|
|
|
02-18-2013, 05:42 AM
|
#17
|
Montana Master
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Murrieta
Posts: 5,816
M.O.C. #9257
|
Things to ponder... BB_TX, on my rig the breakers are for the landing gear and the other is for the slideout motor (now I have three because I use dual parallel breakers for the slider to prevent the well know start/stop problem and the dual solution was less expensive than replacing the single breaker at the time).
Funny how we blame the Amish for these weirdball problems. I blame Americans (they call us "English"). Amish don't even like electricity and everything they know they were taught by us "English" people. So let's blame the English, sometimes we can't understand their accent anyway.
The problem he is describing sounds like a fuse which he replaced per another topic. What I don't understand is he implied they were good but he replaced them anyway. I hate when that happens. This fuse buzzing-out-as-good-but-was-bad-anyway happened to me once. And another time a circuit breaker that buzzed out good needed replacing anyway happened to me as well. What's up when you expect a fuse or breaker to "break" and they don't but then don't work? Gotta love the convenience of technology except when it becomes the problem, eh?
|
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
Similar Threads
|
Thread |
Thread Starter |
Forum |
Replies |
Last Post |
Electrical
|
randye |
General Discussions about our Montanas |
11 |
01-23-2010 01:39 AM |
Help Electrical
|
hookman |
Montana Problems, Problem Solving & Technical Help |
9 |
06-14-2009 10:01 AM |
Electrical
|
Doug and Anita |
Repairs & Service |
16 |
09-03-2006 03:13 AM |
Electrical
|
Heli 190 |
General Discussions about our Montanas |
2 |
10-02-2005 07:42 AM |
Electrical?
|
MNpat |
General Discussions about our Montanas |
3 |
08-20-2005 06:22 AM |
|
» Recent Threads |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|