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Old 06-19-2020, 02:39 PM   #61
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Old 06-19-2020, 07:03 PM   #62
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Everyone has to take a written test and driving test to obtain the right (privilege?) to drive a "normal" size vehicle. And to show that they at least have some knowledge of what is required to safely control that vehicle. It only stands to reason that you would need additional testing to give you the right to operate a much larger heavier vehicle or combination of vehicles. Does testing inherently make a person a safer driver? No. But I think even a poor driver who has shown he/she knows enough to pass the testing requirements will be better than a poor driver who knows nothing about, or could not pass, those requirements. I don't see that as a freedom, but as an earned privilege.
Bill, Question after seeing all those that have passed a test to drive a normal sized vehicle, can you honestly say that passing the test makes them all a safer driver? Sorry too easy
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Old 06-19-2020, 08:10 PM   #63
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Bill, Question after seeing all those that have passed a test to drive a normal sized vehicle, can you honestly say that passing the test makes them all a safer driver? Sorry too easy
Nope. But they would have to be some increment better than those who couldnít pass the test. And some of those on the road makes you wonder if they have any license at all.
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Old 06-19-2020, 09:27 PM   #64
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26001 lbs, single or combined gross weight, is the tipping point for CDL requirements. My truck GVWR is 14000 lbs, my RV GVWR is 16960 lbs. Combined that is 30960 lbs. Guess I need a CDL. Or do I ? Here In Ohio, RVís are exempt from CDL requirements. So, even though all you have ever driven your entire life is a Honda Civic, you can go out and buy an F550 and a 45 ft Mobile Estates Rv and drive away with no training or testing, other than what was required to drive your Honda 30 years ago.

Next time youíre cruising down the highway and come across an RV with an Ohio plate, be careful, it might be me, 58 ft of unskilled rolling trouble.
You don't. The key is the "C" in cdl. An RV is not a commercial trailer. I think it really is more about controlling commerce and collecting fees then it is about safety. Seems some states at least require non-cdl's for over 26,000lvs. Is there testing involved it that?
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Old 06-19-2020, 10:56 PM   #65
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I have a class a cdl with all endorsements. I'm going to be buying a single rear axle semi to haul my 20k gvwr toy hauler around.
I gotta look into this E license in NM, for after I retire.
Medical exam involved ?
This is the tractor I'm looking at buying, but his toy hauler.
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Old 06-20-2020, 08:18 AM   #66
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I think it really is more about controlling commerce and collecting fees then it is about safety. Seems some states at least require non-cdl's for over 26,000lvs. Is there testing involved it that?
You're right it's not about safety. Here in Florida we have the highest percentage, in the country, of seniors over 65 living here. They are very politically active.
That is why, I guessing, Florida statute 322.53(2)(d) exempts all RV's from CDL requirement, regardless of weight. If you attempt any legislation negatively restricting or affecting seniors in Florida you political career will be short lived.
All you have to do is just barely pass an eye test to get a regular license. I've seen many elderly people, that were being helped into the DMV by their caretakers, fail the eye test or the person behind the counter "helps" them pass and the person renewed their license because they feel sorry for them.
That's same response you here from people (Awh I feel sorry for them) when you see on the news that an elderly driver plowed into a crowd of people or drives through a store front by mistake because they either got confused and hit the gas instead of the brake or they took the wrong medication..

It's not about safety...because if you are a young health person who wants to drive a truck (26,000 lbs +) or a bus for a living you have to get all this special training, takes tests, get a yearly physical to get a medical card and have to carry a medical card with you at all times.
But if you are 65-80+ years old, have health and mobility issues that effect your motor skills, judgement, reflexes, limited movement of your neck or limbs plus you never drove anything bigger than a Cadillac your whole life. You can get behind the wheel of a 45 ft, class A, diesel pusher RV and head out on the highway with no training or experience what so ever.
Do you get less dead if you get hit by a 45 ft RV than you would if you got hit by a truck or a bus???

I'm in favor of requiring endorsement's to your license like you need for motorcycles. Have 2 separate endorsements that require you to take a class, written test and an on road skills tests. One for Motorhomes ( class A,B & C's) and one endorsement for 5th wheels and all bumper pull trailers.
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Having a CDL, and seeing drivers of all types, I'm NOT in favor of special licenses, or any more government control.
A class A CDL, doesn't make big truck drivers and smarter or better drivers.
Look at drivers for SWIFT !!
What are the stats for RV accidents by inexperienced drivers, over know it all, long time drivers ?
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You don't. The key is the "C" in cdl. An RV is not a commercial trailer. I think it really is more about controlling commerce and collecting fees then it is about safety. Seems some states at least require non-cdl's for over 26,000lvs. Is there testing involved it that?
My weight is just under the limit so I don't have the class A non-CDL. But from what other Texans have said about the non-CDL class A, you have to take a written test along the line of that required for a CDL, and you have to take a driving test with the 5er attached, including backing.
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Having a CDL, and seeing drivers of all types, I'm NOT in favor of special licenses, or any more government control.
A class A CDL, doesn't make big truck drivers and smarter or better drivers.
Look at drivers for SWIFT !!
What are the stats for RV accidents by inexperienced drivers, over know it all, long time drivers ?
From Truck info.net:

What are some accident statistics?
Estimates of 41,000 to 45,000 traffic deaths occur every year within the U.S.. Walkers and bikers account for 15% of the total traffic deaths each year. Fewer than 9% of those deaths involve commercial vehicles. More than 80% of those accidents are the fault of the non-commercial driver. Of those death related accidents only 4% of trucks are fatigue related. Drinking related accounted for .06% of those accidents.

What are some facts about truck driving accidents?
Commercial trucks are involved in 2.4% of all car accidents.
Trucks are 3 times less likely to be in an accident than a regular motor vehicle.

What is the cause of the truck accidents?
More than 75% of truck driving accidents are due to the driver of the passenger vehicle.
Only 16% of all truck driving accidents are due to the truck driverís fault.

From https://fifthwheelst.com/rv-accidents-statistics.html

Most common causes of RV accidents
Although some of these common causes of RV accidents overlap with causes of car accidents, they are exacerbated in an RV where sheer size plus reduced visibility and maneuverability increase the risk factors for a crash.

Inexperienced drivers
Senior drivers
Speeding
High winds
Overtired drivers
Overloading the RV with too much weight
Runaway trailers
Rollover caused by higher center of gravity
Poorly calculated turns
Miscalculated stopping distances (heavy vehicles require longer stopping distances)
Poorly balanced loads
Failing to see another vehicle in the lane beside the RV due to a blind spot

All of these causes are avoidable (except Senior drivers and High winds) with classroom and practical driver training.
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Old 06-20-2020, 01:28 PM   #70
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What are some accident statistics?
Estimates of 41,000 to 45,000 traffic deaths occur every year within the U.S.. Walkers and bikers account for 15% of the total traffic deaths each year. Fewer than 9% of those deaths involve commercial vehicles. More than 80% of those accidents are the fault of the non-commercial driver. Of those death related accidents only 4% of trucks are fatigue related. Drinking related accounted for .06% of those accidents.

What are some facts about truck driving accidents?
Commercial trucks are involved in 2.4% of all car accidents.
Trucks are 3 times less likely to be in an accident than a regular motor vehicle.

What is the cause of the truck accidents?
More than 75% of truck driving accidents are due to the driver of the passenger vehicle.
Only 16% of all truck driving accidents are due to the truck driverís fault.

From https://fifthwheelst.com/rv-accidents-statistics.html

Most common causes of RV accidents
Although some of these common causes of RV accidents overlap with causes of car accidents, they are exacerbated in an RV where sheer size plus reduced visibility and maneuverability increase the risk factors for a crash.

Inexperienced drivers
Senior drivers
Speeding
High winds
Overtired drivers
Overloading the RV with too much weight
Runaway trailers
Rollover caused by higher center of gravity
Poorly calculated turns
Miscalculated stopping distances (heavy vehicles require longer stopping distances)
Poorly balanced loads
Failing to see another vehicle in the lane beside the RV due to a blind spot

All of these causes are avoidable (except Senior drivers and High winds) with classroom and practical driver training.
Taking a test where one of the questions is What year were turn signals made mandiitory, does not improve ones driving skills
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