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04-07-2014, 06:43 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Bridgewater
Posts: 1,196
M.O.C. #13166
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I don't know the science or pretend to. I do know that when I went from my SRW to the DRW, pulling the same camper, I felt the difference immediately when entering or exiting the highway and going in a loop. The dually felt much more stable.
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04-07-2014, 06:52 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by Hooker
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quote:Originally posted by richfaa
my SRW F350 has the optional 11,300 GVWR Package and Ford list the payload capacity limit for my model as 4,400 pounds"
But what is the Actual payload. Example My Ford sticker states a max payload capacity of 4268lbs and a GVWR of 13,000lbs. That is fine but what does the truck actually weigh ready to tow. Mine weighs 9,200 lbs so take that away from the 13K gvwr and the actual payload capacity is 3800lbs. My 06 pin weight was 3,100lbs (longtimer) so I had a 700lbs buffer. If you do that math and the number is good on a SWD you are good but that is where many swd trucks fall short. I do not know about the stability issue but 4 tires on the ground has got to be more stable than two wheels on the ground.
The numbers will tell the tale. It pulls it fine does not hack it. Good numbers, good truck. At least know were you are on the spec's.
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The difference between the sticker capacity and the actual capacity, based on what it now weighs, is the stuff you've added.
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I believe that is what my post indicates.
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04-07-2014, 07:03 AM
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#43
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Waterford
Posts: 3,693
M.O.C. #7500
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by Fire5er
It's funny how everyone has to defend their choice. I don't care what others say, more tires on the ground gives more stability.
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I don't care what others say either - if you're in a situation that you need extra stability, you shouldn't be driving.
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04-07-2014, 07:51 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Fayetteville
Posts: 4,200
M.O.C. #11401
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by Tom S.
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quote:Originally posted by Fire5er
It's funny how everyone has to defend their choice. I don't care what others say, more tires on the ground gives more stability.
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I don't care what others say either - if you're in a situation that you need extra stability, you shouldn't be driving.
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Some times it is some other persons carelessness that causes you to need stability.
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04-07-2014, 02:41 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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never thought about stability when purchasing a truck although it make sense that the dually should be more stable. It is like standing with your feet close together then spreading them out .Which stance feels more stable. We purchased the dually because the spec's of the Montana said we needed it for the pin weight.. No other reason.
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04-07-2014, 02:49 PM
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#46
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Site Team
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04-07-2014, 05:49 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Chilliwack
Posts: 1,520
M.O.C. #12935
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As with discussions on 3/4 ton vs 1 ton trucks, SWB vs LWB the comments and preferences regarding DRW and SRW are as varied as the folks that own the trucks. Up until a few years ago I owned a large truck camper. I carried that camper on the following trucks with these observations:
1) 3/4 Ton Ford - nowhere near what was needed for the camper although it was weight compliant.
2) 1 Ton Ford SRW - showed a small improvement in stability due to the heavier shocks and springs.
3) 1 Ton Dodge DRW - was significantly better in stability when cornering and when traveling over rough terrain.
All of the above trucks were 4 wheel drive.
Now I am fully aware that the same forces do not come into play when carrying a camper as when hauling our Montana's around. However to suggest that a DRW does not have more stability than a SRW is simply not correct, to also suggest that if you get yourself in a situation that you need extra stability then you should not be driving is another gem of wisdom...
I have now owned a DRW truck for 14 years, I drive it every day, I park anywhere I could have parked my SRW trucks, the only drawback being I cannot go through most car washes.
If you don't care about that extra rubber on the road, the definite added stability provided by a DRW and you cannot park where you want then I would suggest you continue to drive a SRW.
Oh! The SRW is better in snow, I have to give that one to the SRW owners.
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04-07-2014, 05:53 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: billings
Posts: 110
M.O.C. #12853
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Once again the MOC has been a great resource. DW and I were looking at SRW F350's to replace the current F250 SRW. DW and I read this thread and started to look again at the last CAT scale numbers and compare them to the different truck manufactures ratings. The conclusion we came to is the SRW trucks will pull a lot of trailer but the pin weights don't leave you much cargo capacity in the truck. DW commented that it really a marketing gimmick on the trailer weights. After much discussion we decided that DRW was the way to go. We purchased a F350 DRW Diesel last Thursday. For the small initial extra cost over the SRW and other costs down the road we thought this would allow us to tow a larger trailer if we decided to. It gave us peace of mind that we had more than enough capacity for what we were towing. Using the SRW allowed us to try out the RVing life style and decide if it was for us but we were at the limit of the truck and we made an informed decision to do so. We won't judge others by what they decide to do. I have to say every ones comments were greatly appreciated when we were trying to make this decision. I really wanted to go SRW but the DRW drivers made me feel comfortable going that direction. I am going to use the truck as a daily driver and am getting used to parking between the white lines at work! Wendy's drive thru tonight was a snap. Thanks again to the MOC brain trust!
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04-07-2014, 08:05 PM
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#49
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Billings
Posts: 698
M.O.C. #12641
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Now if we could just hurry up and get the break in period over on our new DRW we could go camping!!! Can't happen soon enough for me.
The new truck Bobcat92 (my dear husband) was talking about is fantastic! It is MUCH quieter than our old truck but I am glad we got to try out the lifestyle without investing any additional money. It also gave us a chance to figure out what kind of truck we wanted after talking to many members. The only two things I am going to have to get used to is that this truck is MUCH longer as our old one was a short bed. This truck is 21.9FEET long before we attach the trailer! So wider turns are going to be key! I am also having to get used to the wider stance but I think that will come with time. I can't wait to see how she performs backing up our 38' foot long trailer!
Thanks again to the MOC forum in helping us with our decision in such a mature fashion...other sites NOT so much!
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04-07-2014, 08:51 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Redding
Posts: 1,421
M.O.C. #12339
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Beautiful rig! You will love it the more you drive it!
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04-08-2014, 02:25 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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Good for you Bobcat92 you did some homework and purchased what the spec's told you what you needed. We did the same thing we were not Dually fans but had no choice based on the spec's.
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04-08-2014, 03:12 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Lake Gaston
Posts: 8,773
M.O.C. #12156
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by Tom S.
I you ever encounter a situation where the additional rear two wheels saved you from being unstable, you were either driving recklessly to begin with or where you shouldn't have been.
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How about a blowout! I would get out and give that remaining tire a big kiss.
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2002 3655 FL, 2005 3650RK
2010 3665RE, 2015 3910FB
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04-08-2014, 03:53 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,550
M.O.C. #2283
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Why do you think one of the back tires is going to be the one to blow out. If you hit something on the road it's usually the front tire that hits it first.
Lynwood
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04-08-2014, 04:00 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Belvidere
Posts: 1,834
M.O.C. #185
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Why do some of you have to be so argumentative. Can't you just accept someone else's view and opinions?
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04-08-2014, 04:03 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by mlh
Why do you think one of the back tires is going to be the one to blow out. If you hit something on the road it's usually the front tire that hits it first.
Lynwood
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Any thing can happen In our case the left inside dually hit the object whatever it was first and we were able to keep going on the other.. It is just our experience..
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04-08-2014, 04:06 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Lake Gaston
Posts: 8,773
M.O.C. #12156
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Blowouts occur for many reasons, going down the road to include valve failure, belt failure, unknown slow leak because of a nail puncture causing overheating, etc and etc. And like you said with road hazards, "usually" which translates to me as not always. Hard to argue against four tires providing additional safety over two tires.
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2002 3655 FL, 2005 3650RK
2010 3665RE, 2015 3910FB
F350 crew cab dually 6.7
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04-08-2014, 04:14 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: McKinney
Posts: 7,167
M.O.C. #6433
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by mlh
Why do you think one of the back tires is going to be the one to blow out. If you hit something on the road it's usually the front tire that hits it first.
Lynwood
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The only tire I have ever lost due to road hazard was on my truck a number of years ago. Driving straight down a toll highway just as I was about to enter an exit ramp I heard a thump under the right front tire and shortly after the right rear lost air. No place to pull off for about 1/2 mile. Turned out the front tire had gone over a large pointed bolt that bounced up and stuck thru the rear tire and it was too far damaged by the time I could pull off to save.
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04-08-2014, 04:29 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 908
M.O.C. #7915
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I've only lost one tire off my three duallies...inside right rear. It was a tire failure, not a road hazard.
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04-08-2014, 05:03 AM
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#59
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Davison
Posts: 786
M.O.C. #12331
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by steves
Why do some of you have to be so argumentative. Can't you just accept someone else's view and opinions?
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I agree completely. In most cases, when one responds to the original poster, they are relaying their personal experience. In that case there are really no wrong replies. Sometimes we forget that our own experiences are not unique. That's why we post here, to get others experiences and opinions. Unfortunately, any form of social media tends to be just the opposite, anti-social media because we can't see or hear others conversing. I try real hard to remember that each time I post, but I have forgotten from time to time.
JMHO
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04-08-2014, 05:49 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Belvidere
Posts: 1,834
M.O.C. #185
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Thanks for the reply....I sometimes forget your points and get frustrated with what seems to be a single minded view. I'll try to be more open minded too. Again thanks!
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