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03-06-2011, 12:41 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,547
M.O.C. #2283
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Thanks Will, I was trying to run 2 CNC machine tools and play on MOC too.
Lynwood
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08-12-2011, 07:20 AM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Tomball
Posts: 83
M.O.C. #11565
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Have these Lippert frame problems solved with the 2012 Montana's? I am looking at a Montana 3625RE and would sure like to think I do not have to face this problem any time soon.
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08-12-2011, 06:13 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Haysville
Posts: 4,261
M.O.C. #3085
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I've been back ond forth on the issue here ... my final thoughts. For those of you who proclaim "infinite warranty" ... would you really own a business guaranteeing your product indefinitely thus putting yourself and company at the mercy of any and all users whether they maintain or abuse their equipment. You'd not be in business long. I'm all for warranties ... but can't support people backing infinite time periods. JSMITFL ... I'm talking in general not grouping you in one or another.
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08-13-2011, 05:07 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Gilbert
Posts: 262
M.O.C. #9307
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Yes,
I consider that a company has a lifetime responsibility to support a product that hasn't been built correctly or unsafely.
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08-16-2011, 03:07 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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[quote]Originally posted by Desert RVer
Yes,
I consider that a company has a lifetime responsibility to support a product that hasn't been built correctly or unsafely.
First that would have to be documented and verified. That has not happened. There is no proof that the frame was built incorrectly or unsafe by any Government entity. That a product fails is no proof that it is not correctly built or unsafe, If so nearly every product sold would fall in that category.
The frame flex issue in the early models up to @ mid 2005 was acknowledged by Keystone and a redesign of the frame took place. We saw that at the factory. It is also well documented here on this forum that Keystone has repaired the Frame flex issue at no cost on the early models no matter what the age of the unit.
They will require pictures and these folks are hard to fool. If it was due to the frame flex issue and they will be able to identify if it was or not, they have repaired it at no cost.
we seem to blame Evey issue we have on poor design, poor engineering, Etc and we are never at fault. IMO if this or any products was unsafe due to poor design /engineering it would have been documantated and proved long ago.
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08-18-2011, 03:39 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Gilbert
Posts: 262
M.O.C. #9307
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The Government doesn't have to declare a product has been built incorrectly or unsafely. The government doesn't know didly squat about RV's. The buying public through the courts and with their feet will define what has been built incorrectly or unsafely.
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08-18-2011, 05:30 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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[quote]Originally posted by Desert RVer
The Government doesn't have to declare a product has been built incorrectly or unsafely. The government doesn't know didly squat about RV's. The buying public through the courts and with their feet will define what has been built incorrectly or unsafely.
I must have missed the post that said the Government has to declare a product has been built incorrectly or unsafe although they have done just that on many occasions'
"The buying public through the courts and with their feet will define what has been built incorrectly or unsafely'... Exactly and the Rv industry has been around for a long,long time and that has not happened.
Example the Montana line has been the #1 best seller of 5th wheels for 10 or is it 11 years. I wonder why the buying public keeps buying a product that may be built incorrectly or is unsafe and why in all those years has it not been challenged.. Something does not make sense ....
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08-18-2011, 06:10 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Victor
Posts: 940
M.O.C. #1709
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Wow this thread has been going on a long time. Well I finally got mine put together right. I took it to the dealer we bought from and they fixed it.LOL Took it back and they fixed it again. The work was so bad I wasn't going to take it back. I went to Tiara in Elkhart while I was up there and they fixed it the way it should be. I paid the price and am getting my money back from the first dealer. I can't say enough good about Scott at Tiara. Right now we are in Idaho and enjoying it. Jetenbu they have fixed the problems with the frame so you don't need to worry about it.
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08-19-2011, 02:53 AM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Sandy Beach
Posts: 97
M.O.C. #9975
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by richfaa
Example the Montana line has been the #1 best seller of 5th wheels for 10 or is it 11 years. I wonder why the buying public keeps buying a product that may be built incorrectly or is unsafe and why in all those years has it not been challenged.. Something does not make sense ....
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I have yet to see any documentation that claims' that the Montana is the # 1 best seller of 5th wheels for 10 or 11 years.
I see that Keystone is making that claim on there website. :
“North America's #1 Selling Fifth Wheel for 10 Consecutive Years. The right inspiration leads you to achieve greatness whether you are vacationing, adventuring or just relaxing. Montana fifth wheels enable you to achieve all three. To do this, Montana designs fifth wheels to provide enduring pleasure over the long haul and in every aspect of the ownership experience. Montana builds RVs that inspire.”
They are certainly not the # 1 seller in Canada, I think they should change it from North America to America or U.S. Or remove that false claim altogether.
Gary
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08-19-2011, 03:16 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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here is one source that is not Keystone.There are others if you do a search......
http://www.rvbusiness.com/2011/03/ke...ver-10th-year/
It said the nations #1 best seller so I assunme they meant the USA.
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08-19-2011, 04:13 AM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Sandy Beach
Posts: 97
M.O.C. #9975
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Rvbusiness.com is just a reporting website like all the other searches you did. The actual survey is from, http://www.statisticalsurveys.com , they are paid by Keystone to do the survey. It is only one company that is reporting that the Montana is #1. And they state on there website that they may not be 100% accurate. “We work hard to ensure that the data we receive and manage is the best available. But no data source is perfect.” I put very little value in one source.
As far as the frame flex issues go it appears that it has been an issues from early on till mid 2005. Now it seems to have reappeared in some of the newer model's, like mine. It’s a tough market and it is going to get tougher. Help your customers or close your doors. I believe that the other manufactures chose to close there doors rather than sell a poor low quality product.
Just my opinion.
Gary
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08-19-2011, 05:42 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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We learn something every day..So there is no way to know who sells what or what the numbers are in the Rv industry because anything that we might look up is not accurate or paid for by the manufacturer.
how do you know the GMC dually is a great product. Would not any documentation to that effect be paid for by GM????
It looks like your Rv qualifies for the lemon law (If Canada has one)Hope you have applied.
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08-28-2011, 04:48 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Gilbert
Posts: 262
M.O.C. #9307
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RichFaa,
I suspect you are jumping to contusions!
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