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Old 10-21-2020, 05:36 PM   #1
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EVs what is coming

GM just announced a new EV pickup coming in late 2021. A Hummer with 1000 HP and 11500 TK. That is not a misprint. This brings up a lot of questions.
What will be the tow limits? 20,000 pounds 30, 40?
How will you get it recharged? How long will it take? And if you run out of juice what then? You won’t be able to carry a tank with you.
What will the range be, pulling a camper or in the winter?
This Hummer is a light duty pickup but you can bet heavy duty pickups are coming. You can bet it’s going to get interesting.
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Old 10-21-2020, 06:23 PM   #2
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The only thing holding EVs back is the power to run them. Adequate horsepower and torque are not an issue even for OTR haulers. A lot of improvements have been made in battery technology, but not enough to yet over come the range and charge time issues. But alternate methods are being developed. It is just a matter of time until we will be all electric if we live long enough.
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Old 10-21-2020, 08:05 PM   #3
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I saw that Hummer. The quadrasteer is cool. It looks like a fun car but a very limited application. Charging is a deal breaker unless your plans are to use it for the day and get it home for a charge. At $80k+ it's an expensive grocery getter.
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Tesla has it figured out with their supercharger network. New Tesla model X can tow 5,000 pounds and has over 400 mile range not towing. Electric usage more than doubles when towing. Superchargers are approximately 150 miles apart, so towing a small trailer with an electric car is doable today. Cybertruck is supposed to be able to tow 14,000 pounds, so real travel trailer is possible.

Going to take the other guys a long time to build the charger infrastructure necessary to make charging on the go possible.
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One could always carry a generator in the back and charge as you go down the road! :-)
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Yep, pay 150k for a 1 ton electric truck, drive 150 miles, stop for 24 hours to recharge at what cost, then repeat. Sort of like solar energy. Going big around here. Can't hold it's weight without a zillion dollars of tax breaks and taxpayer dollars. Oh wait, then you want to pull 15k? On a layman's wage? And....you have the income to pay for all that?
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Yep, pay 150k for a 1 ton electric truck, drive 150 miles, stop for 24 hours to recharge at what cost, then repeat. Sort of like solar energy. Going big around here. Can't hold it's weight without a zillion dollars of tax breaks and taxpayer dollars. Oh wait, then you want to pull 15k? On a layman's wage? And....you have the income to pay for all that?
Exactly. There are no, underline NO. renewable fuel sources other than OIL. Oil is freedom. Electric anything will not ever take the place of good ol Texas Tea. That Hummer will go by the wayside like the Volt. Another R&D disaster. I swear, GM is continuing making the same mistakes they did before the 07-09 debacle. Producing needless and comical vehicles that no one will ever buy. What's next? Pontiac and Oldsmobile coming back? Wasted efforts and wasted money.
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Exactly. There are no, underline NO. renewable fuel sources other than OIL. Oil is freedom. Electric anything will not ever take the place of good ol Texas Tea. That Hummer will go by the wayside like the Volt. Another R&D disaster. I swear, GM is continuing making the same mistakes they did before the 07-09 debacle. Producing needless and comical vehicles that no one will ever buy. What's next? Pontiac and Oldsmobile coming back? Wasted efforts and wasted money.
There are states like CA that are ran by a handful of people that are mandating that all vehicles sold in their state will be electric. Auto manufacturers see that and are responding. It doesn't matter if the vehicle isn't practical for the consumer, it's just a sale. In many situations an EV may be practical. For our needs as rv'ers, probably not in our lifetimes.
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Exactly. There are no, underline NO. renewable fuel sources other than OIL. Oil is freedom. Electric anything will not ever take the place of good ol Texas Tea. That Hummer will go by the wayside like the Volt. Another R&D disaster. I swear, GM is continuing making the same mistakes they did before the 07-09 debacle. Producing needless and comical vehicles that no one will ever buy. What's next? Pontiac and Oldsmobile coming back? Wasted efforts and wasted money.
While I too think that it will be quite some time before electric makes sense for RV’s, I don’t know how anyone could consider oil to be a renewable resource.
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Oil does come from Nature, it just takes thousands of years for it to happen.
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While I too think that it will be quite some time before electric makes sense for RV’s, I don’t know how anyone could consider oil to be a renewable resource.
Are you serious??! It is the ONLY renewable energy source! We have enough oil on our land, just in the US, to carry us for the next 310 years, at least. Oil comes naturally, electricity is made/created. Wind, Solar, also. Cannot sustain Americans constantly moving. You will only restrict their movements, hence, their freedoms. No, Renewable Energy is a myth. It cannot power freedom. Period.
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It doesn’t take thousands of years to make oil, it takes millions! Unless new reserves are found, it is estimated that we will run out of oil in approximately 50 years. So yes, technically it is renewable, you are just going to have to mothball your truck for a few million years.
Is electric the answer? I don’t know, but we do need to be searching for alternative energy sources, and at this moment electricity in spite of it’s shortcomings seems to be the leading candidate.
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Fossil fuels including oil, natural gas, and coal are only renewable in the sense of occurring over millions of years. Yes, there are huge reserves known and yet unknown. And we will not be running out of oil any time even into the distant future. That doesn’t mean it is “renewable”.

What will drive the move entirely to electric vehicles is simply the push to greatly reduce pollutants associated with oil production, refinery operations, and emissions from internal combustion engines and other industries using fossil fuels. Coal powered power plants are already being phased out and oil fired plants will eventually follow. And although no time soon, fossil fuel powered vehicles will also follow suit. Unless you are really young it will not happen completely in our lifetime. But if you live another 30 years or more I think you will see a major move that direction. New technology will be the driving force on how quickly it happens.
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Well , oil IS a renewable resource. All those things that decomposed millions of years ago....are still decomposing making other resources...albeit slowly.

I live in the Permian Basin. I watch, live, read and invest in fossil fuels. All gone in 50 years? Don't know where that kind of stuff comes from; maybe 500-5000? All depends on how we approach it.

The current rage for electric and solar as a panacea for all that "bad, bad fossil fuel"? Ain't happening and is ridiculous.. It's just another "salesman" pitch from those that have no idea. How exactly do we generate electricity from wind? How are all those huge structures, turbines, props made? By a "solar" plant? Not hardly. What about those hundreds of acres "solar arrays"? Did they get made from solar or wind? Of course not, they are made from various plastic and glass products derived from....fossil fuels and the transformation of same.

Of course the elephant in the room is HOW do those costly, "new" technologies get into production? How do they help? Well, you won't get a solar array without millions in tax abatements, grants and loans (taxpayer). Infrastructure has to be built to them (thanks taxpayer) and your electrical rates will rise meteorically - to do what? Nothing. Those technologies cannot and do not pay for themselves.

Those that espouse that if we end American life and go back to the stone ages believe it will stop "climate change", all I can say is how arrogant can a human be? It will get colder, it will get hotter (think about the ice age, tropical age with dinosaurs). We are specs in the time continuuam.

Quite a comment of "electric tow vehicles".
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Our predecessors rode around on horses and wagons. We ride around on mostly oil based propulsion. Who knows what's next. Perhaps back to horses. Right now electric based vehicles are on par with the old 12' satellite tv antennas. Innovation will likely improve on that. In the mean time we have it pretty good right now.
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Our predecessors rode around on horses and wagons. We ride around on mostly oil based propulsion. Who knows what's next. Perhaps back to horses. Right now electric based vehicles are on par with the old 12' satellite tv antennas. Innovation will likely improve on that. In the mean time we have it pretty good right now.


^^^You are right - and not a thing to improve on it at the moment.
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Those 2 up there.

We have enough oil here in the US, to sustain us for AT LEAST 300+ years. That's documented. And we haven't even tapped the huge resources of what ANWR is holding. Oil is here to stay. Where are we going to dump the Tesla batteries when they are worn out? How many vast craters are we gonna dig out of the earth to supply Elon's dream?
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I have been in the Oilfield for 40 years. Retiring from Exxon this month. My son will carry on in the Oilfield. That having been said, I do think that in the distant future technology and political winds will allow for some type of new vehicle design. But I think we are DECADES away from an economically viable electric (or something else) replacement to Hydrocarbon fueled vehicles for reasons obvious to anyone who thinks the subject all the way thru logically. Ethanol from corn was a mistake made (it is worse on the environment) by those with an agenda. Current solar and wind are in the same vein. We will eventually get to something but in the meantime we NEED oil to maintain our standard of living and we should not be railing against it much less trying to make it more expensive to produce to economically prop up ill thought out "green" energy sources. It is stupid to make "green" alternatives artificially competitive against oil. That is akin to lowering test requirements for all students because some are struggling. You don't lower standards of all, you work on improving the bottom!


My last two years have been in Carlsbad, NM. Exxon alone produces over 130,000bbls a DAY in that area. That is predicted to exceed 250,000BOPD in 5 years and be maintained for at least another 15 before any decline. It is safe to say that oil supplies will be safe for many years to come.


Eventually we will run out and we do need to be funding Research into real and viable alternatives.


What we don't need to be doing is running down the industry that has and will continue to provide our energy needs until something else is developed!! Those of us in the industry feel like Vietnam vets. coming back home. After working double time we come home and listen to everyone that benefitted from that work running us down. STOP IT!!!
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Another thing electric cars and trucks are bad for the environment. Just look at how the battery is made, then what do they do with them when they die. You can't rebuild them like a gas truck. Sitting on the side of the road with a 5er sitting at a charging station is my idea of a great vacation. Also when they catch fire the fire department has a hard time putting them out. If you want one to drive around town that's fine but the open road never happen. No one can bring you a spare gallon of electricity to get you back on the road.
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“Those horseless carriages will never replace the horse!”

For those whose lives are intertwined with the oil industry, that is a very important part of who they are. But it is also easy to get tunnel vision. To say it takes a lot of electricity to manufacture wind turbines and solar cells, that is a very poor argument. Once manufactured, those things actually generate more pollution free power than was used to make them. The oil industry itself sucks in a huge amount of power to pull the oil out of the earth, transport it via truck, rail, and/or pipeline to the refineries, and the refineries themselves are huge power drains. And polluters. It is a dirty business. And that is a 24/7/365 operation.

As far as batteries, there will be new technology for both producing and recovering them. And once there are large numbers of EVs on the road, service trucks will likely have on board power supplies to give a quick charge in the middle of no where.

Depending on which resource you read, oil will last anywhere from 30 years to hundreds of years. Each has their own agenda, will claim their prediction is most accurate, and will use those numbers to further their cause. Truth is, no one really knows for sure.

But again, the push for clean air and environment will ultimately be the driving force toward all electric vehicle. Not a shortage of oil. And that time line will depend on further developing existing technology and new technology yet to be discovered. There will be huge fortunes to be made by who ever comes up with the breakthrough to turn the next corner. So there will be no shortage of those trying.

I love my ICE engines and have no plans of buying anything electric. But I am also practical enough to see that the move to all electric vehicles will happen in the not too distant future. If not in our lifetimes, then our kids.
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