384BR behind a 2021 3500HD SRW

[rames14]

Here is the build:

[nellie1289]

Originally Posted by rames14

I guess I have to have my dealer contact Ram and tell them they are wrong (or I can’t read). https://www.ramtrucks.com/towing/towing-guide.html

He's right, I am pretty sure this will set the forum on fire, lol. I love how the payload magically increases year after year when its the same body/chassis/axles as it was since 2013?

[Harrisden54]

I have a 2019 HC384 BR. The pin weight is listed at 2305 lbs. I pull it with a 2019 F350 King Ranch 4x4 Long bed. My payload is rated at 4,450 lbs, so I have a 2,145 lb. capacity for fuel and cargo which I will never exceed.
Not sure what year yours is but I doubt if the pin weight has changed significantly.

[nellie1289]

Originally Posted by Harrisden54

I have a 2019 HC384 BR. The pin weight is listed at 2305 lbs. I pull it with a 2019 F350 King Ranch 4x4 Long bed. My payload is rated at 4,450 lbs, so I have a 2,145 lb. capacity for fuel and cargo which I will never exceed.
Not sure what year yours is but I doubt if the pin weight has changed significantly.

I agree, a HC should be absolutely fine, before I picked my Montana i did analysis on a 2021 HC and would of had plenty to spare.

I in general think people are way overpackers. when we are out and about i always look at other peoples underbelly storage as they are setting up and am never not amazed how much stuff is in everyones hatch. I sometimes put empty storage boxes in there just to keep my stuff in other storage boxes from sliding around to keep the Tetris puzzle together.

[Chad1383]

Originally Posted by Harrisden54

I have a 2019 HC384 BR. The pin weight is listed at 2305 lbs. I pull it with a 2019 F350 King Ranch 4x4 Long bed. My payload is rated at 4,450 lbs, so I have a 2,145 lb. capacity for fuel and cargo which I will never exceed.
Not sure what year yours is but I doubt if the pin weight has changed significantly.

I think you would be a lot tighter without that long bed. As far as I can tell the cargo capacity on a 2021 F350 SRW SB 4x4 is 3400lbs.

[nellie1289]

Originally Posted by nellie1289

He's right, I am pretty sure this will set the forum on fire, lol. I love how the payload magically increases year after year when its the same body/chassis/axles as it was since 2013?

So built the same truck in SRW, it gave me that screen shot, then i did DRW, and it gave me the same screenshot and capacities, so i am thinking Ram's website has a glitch now to just show whatever is the maximum, and not build specific. That would make more sense. I highly highly doubt its 5500 for a SRW, those are Dually numbers.

Here is a better link(although 2020's) 2021 not available. looks more like 4320 lbs for a SRW. Not sure why they have you build the exact truck then throw you a fake number!

https://www.ramtrucks.com/content/da...Chart_MY20.pdf

[Chad1383]

Originally Posted by nellie1289

So built the same truck in SRW, it gave me that screen shot, then i did DRW, and it gave me the same screenshot and capacities, so i am thinking Ram's website has a glitch now to just show whatever is the maximum, and not build specific. That would make more sense. I highly highly doubt its 5500 for a SRW, those are Dually numbers.

Here is a better link(although 2020's) 2021 not available. looks more like 4320 lbs for a SRW. Not sure why they have you build the exact truck then throw you a fake number!

https://www.ramtrucks.com/content/da...Chart_MY20.pdf

Ya when he said 5500 I was like there is no way in hell. Def dually numbers.

[rames14]

For us it's academic. For my Montana (2nd smallest), we will be within specs. Plus, with Lithium batteries, my lighter hitch, and our weight loss program I've carved out more weight savings.

[mhs4771]

I think Escapees with Smart Weigh published a couple of years ago that approx 60% of RVs they weighed were overloaded.

[Montana Man]

Originally Posted by nellie1289

So built the same truck in SRW, it gave me that screen shot, then i did DRW, and it gave me the same screenshot and capacities, so i am thinking Ram's website has a glitch now to just show whatever is the maximum, and not build specific. That would make more sense. I highly highly doubt its 5500 for a SRW, those are Dually numbers.

Here is a better link(although 2020's) 2021 not available. looks more like 4320 lbs for a SRW. Not sure why they have you build the exact truck then throw you a fake number!

https://www.ramtrucks.com/content/da...Chart_MY20.pdf

These charts are more like it. Payload figures are calculated from base weights, probably for marketing purposes. However, probably nobody gets a truck at base weight. Options weigh and subtract from the actual weight the truck can carry.

[jeffba]

Originally Posted by rames14

I just looked up my 2021 Ram SRW (on order so I can’t look at the tag). 5590 lbs carrying capacity and 32,720 lbs max towing. We tow with only two people, our Pullright 2600 only weighs about 60 lbs. plus, our Montana is one of the shorter models (3230CK). Others have posted the formulas. Just plug in the numbers from the trucks you are considering and pick what suits you.

I am impressed!! I just checked my door sticker and I am only good for 5292 pounds.

[jeffba]

Originally Posted by rames14

For us it's academic. For my Montana (2nd smallest), we will be within specs. Plus, with Lithium batteries, my lighter hitch, and our weight loss program I've carved out more weight savings.

Actually it is all opinions until you hit the scales and can see your sticker.

[Bill M]

Lazydays RV dealer out of Tampa, Florida would not sell me my 2019 38555BR if I did not have at least a one ton. I have a 2017 F350 SRW diesel. It pulls it just fine. No need to go to a 450. Some states might require a commercial license if larger than a one ton. Check your home state.

[Leonard R.]

Before you buy any SRW, PLEASE consider a dually for stability and extra towing capacity. You will not be disappointed!

[Jritz]

I have a 2020 3855br Monty, I have pulled it with a 2019 F350 SRW for 25,000 miles. I did not have any issues. This truck is my everyday driver as well.
However, I traded that truck for a 2021 F350 King Ranch DRW because of the payload. The payload is 5,300 vs the 350 being 3290. Before I bought this truck I looked at a F450 but the payload was only 4755. Because the truck is much heavier. If you are over weight and you are involved in an accident the insurance co. Will not cover you. This dually is now my daily driver and I don’t find any difference between the 2 trucks. Good Luck with your new Monty.

[Bad Moon]

Interesting, I have nearly the same truck as the OP, 2020, Chevy Duramax 4x4, quad cab 3500, 12,100# gvwr, but my cargo capacity is 400# greater. Maybe shop for a lower trim level (mine is an LT) and trade options for cargo capacity. Also, I think the AT4 may have softer springs.

[Bad Moon]

Sorry, double post. Disregard.

[Bad Moon]

One other point: the door tag shows “max payload” and “gooseneck trailer maximum tongue weight” which is substantially less than the Max payload. Theoretically, you can be within the tongue weight limitation and exceed the payload limitation, and vice versa. In my opinion, you don’t need to add the hitch weight to the pin weight, but you do need to add it to the payload weight.

[Bad Moon]

Originally Posted by Leonard R.

Before you buy any SRW, PLEASE consider a dually for stability and extra towing capacity. You will not be disappointed!

Except the OP said 90% of his driving will be without towing, in other words a daily driver. Depending on where he daily drives, a dually could be a PIA to drive and park. Just another opinion to consider.

[3791RD]

Only true way to know is to weigh the unit coupled and un-coupled. No two units will be the same based on the way we load these units. Most Cat scales have I believe four different pods. First weigh the rig coupled, get the tow vehicle on one pod, and whatever your towing on the other. Then weigh again un-coupled. Difference in the tow vehicle weigh is the true pin weight. This is also an opportunity to get the true weights of your tow vehicle, and trailer. You need to first go inside and explain what you are trying to accomplish, with weighing both coupled and un-coupled. Easier than trying to explain this to them through the intercom speaker at the scale. I discovered I exceed the tow vehicle GVWR & GCWR. Lucky for me the newer Ford F-350 SRW have a higher GVWR & GCWR.