3400RL Weights - Montana Owners Club

Cat320 · 08-04-2006, 12:39 PM

Picked up our 2007 3400RL today.

The brochure (2006, 2007's are not here yet) says the carrying capacity is 2455; the factory spec sheet says the carrying capacity is 1517. As part of the sticker they put on the left front corner of the rig, they have added a new piece of information since our last TT (2003 model). Now they give us the same information we get on the aft back door of our trucks..."The cargo capacity should never exceed____pounds." On our 3400, they say it is 1517, which is identical to the spec sheet, which makes me think it cannot possibly be correct.

Does everybody's 3400 have the same number? If so, it's pretty well worthless...no way all these things weight the same, all our options are different, therefore the rig weights must be different. We travel relatively lightly, so I'm not concerned...I'm just one of these guys that like the numbers to add up to what they should.

sreigle · 08-04-2006, 01:59 PM

In the past when I asked a Keystone exec about those placard weights I was told all of a given model run get the same number and it is figured using "standard options." I would think the standard options are the Moving To Montana package and the Value Package. I don't know if that's all but those are the "options" you are required to order.

I also am interested in whether all have that same number. We'll have ours in about 3 weeks and will check it out then.

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'03 3295RK
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Driftwoodgal · 08-04-2006, 03:23 PM

Cat320,

Our sticker says 1517 on it as well. It states that the cargo capacity should never exceed 1517 pounds. The inside sticker says we weight 11900.

Colleen

Wrenchtraveller · 08-04-2006, 05:40 PM

Cat, I'll be curious to see what your pin weight is loaded up, my guess 3100 pounds.

Don & Donna
Vancouver Island
2005 Ford F350 V10 Lariat CC 4x4 LB SRW 11200 GVWR
2006 Montana 2955RL

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Cat320 · 08-05-2006, 08:47 AM

Wrenchtraveller...based on the vast store of knowledge I have gleaned on this forum, I should be able to drop that 3100 lbs on the back of my 1/2 ton Chevy. And, if I'm "happy with it" or "never have a problem with it" I should be good to go. Think I'll cancel that dually order, look at the money I could save!!

rickfox · 08-07-2006, 10:45 AM

Good Afternoon,

I see we have steered yet another thread in the direction of whose truck can carry what.

Rick & Wanda
2003 2500HD Crew Cab
Duramax with Allison Trans.
Firestone Airbags
Glide-Ride Pinbox - It's Great!
2006 3400RL - We Love The Trailer!

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Montana Sky · 08-07-2006, 01:21 PM

OMG!! When is it going to stop??

2004 Chevy Silverado LT 2500HD CrewCab Duramax
2004 Montana 3400RL

David and Jo-Anna · 08-07-2006, 01:38 PM

Cat--behave yourself and quit trying to start a fight. All the stickers say 11,900# for the weight of a 3400. Would you please go ahead and weigh you rig and tell us what your weights (pin and axle) are and what options you have so we can try to answer the questions about what different options weigh--questions Montana doesn't seem to be able to answer for us.

David and Jo-Anna Kikel

Cat320 · 08-07-2006, 02:56 PM

Okay, David, I'll try to behave...but it's hard.

Why do you say 11,900 is a valid weight? The brochure says UVW is 11,700; the factory spec sheet says shipping weight is 11,650 and the Interior Label Weight is 11,900. Is latter more accurate than the others...don't see how, we all have different options. Go figure.

Since you infer I cannot haul my new 3400 with my 1500 Chevy, I can't weight it...I don't have a truck!!! My Chevy dealer says they are building it as we 'speak.' Sure hope so, all my 3400 is doing is getting dusty.

David and Jo-Anna · 08-07-2006, 03:21 PM

Cat--you are sooooooooo bad.

I don't say that the 11,900# is valid. It's fictitious. It's what Keystone claims is the weight of the 3400 with the base and "standard" options--whatever they are, since they don't tell us. And they never have reconciled that number with the 11,650# in the brochures. Based on what I've seen others report as to actual weights, I think the 11,900# number is reasonably close to what 3400s weigh that don't have any of the heavier options like hi gloss gel coat, dual pane windows or the 2d AC. But I'd like to hear what your actual weight is, and the options you have, to help nail down just what weight the rest of us can expect to see when we get our 3400s.

So go weigh your rig and quit trying to start a fight about one ton vs. 3/4 ton vs. 1/2 ton tow vehicles--you baaaaaaad boy!!

David and Jo-Anna Kikel

Montana Sky · 08-07-2006, 04:06 PM

David,

I will answer your question, hopefully this will add some light to your quest.

My 2004 3400RL came in with the following weights. These numbers include a full fresh water tank, 2 full propane tanks and the battery.

Pin weight - 1,780 lbs
axle weight - 10,230 lbs
VW is 12,010 lbs

Here is list of all the options on my coach

1. exterior shower
2. aluminum wheels
3. 18" metal slide tray
4. free standing dinette w/ 4 chairs
5. hide a bed sofa
6. queen bed
7. end table and lamp
8. sofa table
9. hi-back desk chair
10. 2nd a/c prep
11. FF in kitchen
12. ceiling fan
13. washer/dryer prep
14. arctic package
15. hydraulic selector valve
16. central vacuum
17. electric fireplace
18. neo-angle shower
19. value package
20. moving to montana package

I have added the 2nd a/c in my bedroom. I went with the Dometic low-profile 13.5K btu w/ heat strip. With that option add 100 lbs to the kingpin weight.

2004 Chevy Silverado LT 2500HD CrewCab Duramax
2004 Montana 3400RL

sreigle · 08-08-2006, 07:50 AM

M.S., are those scaled weights or from the sticker on the cabinet? Curious minds... Thanks.

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'03 3295RK
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Montana Sky · 08-08-2006, 09:20 AM

Steve,
That was scale weight the day I picked up the unit.

2004 Chevy Silverado LT 2500HD CrewCab Duramax
2004 Montana 3400RL

sreigle · 08-08-2006, 02:31 PM

Thanks, Dave. Any idea what it weighs not that you live in it? I will worry about this until we get ours, get it loaded, then get it weighed.

See another Montana or Mountaineer on the road? Flash lights twice, it might be one of us!
Steve Reigle (pronounced Regal)
Fulltiming since 3/21/03
'03 3295RK
'05 Ford F250 SD Lariat CC SB 6.0L PSD/TS FX4 4x4

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David and Jo-Anna · 08-08-2006, 02:46 PM

Dave--thanks for sharing the info on the initial weight of your unit. If we subtract 500# for the weight of 62 gallons of fresh water, that drops your initial weight to 11,500# for what I would describe as the base 3400 with the standard options but none of the heavy options. That puts you close to what Rich reported on his initial weighing (if I recall, he was at about 11,900# with a full tank of fresh water, no heavy options, and minus a recliner, end table and sofa table). Makes me think that the 11,900# figure Montana uses on the RVIA label must include something like the hi gloss gel coat and maybe one or two other options. And maybe the 11,650# figure is with the same base and standard options but without the hi gloss.

Interesting.

Steve, I look forward to your weigh in results. Might be that there are a few hundred more pounds available for options than I thought there were.

David and Jo-Anna Kikel

richfaa · 08-08-2006, 03:19 PM

I don't remember the exact number now but it was just a bit under the 11,900lbs minus those items but plus a 2nd A/C. The recliner is a fairly heavy thing and the end table, lamp and sofa table maybe another 50 lbs so I think that by losing those items and gaining a 2nd A/C we broke about even.The spec's on my 3400 say 11650 and a carrying cap of 2325 total 13975 but the real weight was close to the 11900 posted on the inside cabinet door..the difference..Keystone said , was the average options that may or may not be installed???that would be 250lbs and I don't know if we did or did not have them installed since we do or do not know what they are. So our carrying capacity may or may not be 2325lbs depending on what options we may or may not have installed??? I do know that there will be no what we may or may not weigh because we will weigh this thing soon and we will be within the spec's..whatever they may or may not be/////

Rich& Helen N.Ridgeville,Ohio.

F-350SD, Lariat, V-10,4:30 Diff, tow command Long bed, Crew Cab Dually, 06 3400RL
Mor-Ryde Pin Box

Montana Sky · 08-08-2006, 09:10 PM

David,

I actually have more options on my coach than Rich, plus I have both recliners. The only two "heavy options I dont have is Hi-gloss and dual pane windows. The new 07 brochures now disclose's that hi-gloss adds 200 lbs to the overall weight. Remember that not all 200 lbs is going to be on the rear axles, some of that weight will be on the kingpin. I cannot comment on the dual pane windows as I do not know what they weigh, and I do not want them anyway. No real benefit vs. weight on dual pane windows. If you decide to forego the hi-gloss and add say a washer/dryer then your weight will still be in the ball park of mine at 11,600. (w/o full freshwater)

A base 3400RL will have the 2 required packages "value package" and "moving to montana". It will also have a queen bed, jack knife sofa(no hide-a-bed), booth instead of table and chairs, no 2nd a/c, no extra desk chair, no sofa table, no fireplace, no central vac. The point is, I think the weight that Keystone published is of 11,600 is more in line of a very well furnished coach. In my opinion a base model will weigh much less.

2004 Chevy Silverado LT 2500HD CrewCab Duramax
2004 Montana 3400RL

Montana Sky · 08-08-2006, 09:17 PM

Steve,
I weighed the coach last year w/ everything in it for 6 months at the lake. Since that time, I have taken alot of stuff out and have added some stuff. Here is what the weight was last year, I have not weighed since.

Total weight was 13,548 lbs. I would imagine I am well under that this year. I find it pretty hard for 1 person to fill up an entire 3400RL.

2004 Chevy Silverado LT 2500HD CrewCab Duramax
2004 Montana 3400RL

rickfox · 08-09-2006, 01:47 PM

Montana Sky

I think you ought to start taking someone along. It could be more fun! Or perhaps less?

Rick & Wanda
2003 2500HD Crew Cab
Duramax with Allison Trans.
Firestone Airbags
Glide-Ride Pinbox - It's Great!
2006 3400RL - We Love The Trailer!

Montana Customer Service?

Montana Sky · 08-09-2006, 01:54 PM

Rick,
Don't you worry, I have my eyes open all the time. =) Problem is, I would then have to trade the Montana in for a larger coach w/ at least an 18k GVWR if not 24k GVWR. LOL! Then of course that means I would force myself to go buy a Freightliner M2 Sport Chassis...

2004 Chevy Silverado LT 2500HD CrewCab Duramax
2004 Montana 3400RL

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