F-350 GVW of SRW & DWheel ?

[bigred715]

I was at a dealership in Morton Washington looking at the 2008 Fords and noticed that the SRW had a GVW weight of 11,400#. What is the Dually rated at? That is the one thing I am disapointed about my 2007 Classic 3500 SRW. Not a high enough GVW compared to the Ford. My truck weighs 7260# with 2 people, a few tools and tank of gas. Was not going to buy, but just curious, happy with my Chevy!

[rogue]

I looked up the Chevy 2500/3500 info since I have a Chevy, assume Ford and Dodge have simular towing information on their web sites.

Fifth Wheel Trailering for 2007 (not the 2007 clasic)
Duramax 3.73 Axle ratio Max Trailer Weight in LBS
2500
4x4 Crew Cab Short box 13,600
4x4 Crew Cab Long box 12,600

3500 - - no short box listed
4x4 crew Cab SRW Long Box 14,600
4x4 Crew Cab DRW Long Box 15,900

These weights assume you keep under the RGAWE, GVWR and GCWR

Hope this helps

[JH Sechelt]

According to the 2008 Ford truck brochure that I have.....13,000 lbs GVWR for the super cab DRW.

J&D

[bsmeaton]

Bigred -

my Ford GVWR is 11,400 lbs, but the truck weighs 7,840 lbs empty (0 people on board). The additional weight of the truck cuts down somewhat on the available payload capacity.

[rrheik]

Brad, check out this site for all the Ford Super Duty specs.
http://www.ford-trucks.com/specs/200...er-duty-1.html

Good Luck.

bob

[Eagle Man]

quote:Originally posted by bsmeaton

Bigred -

my Ford GVWR is 11,400 lbs, but the truck weighs 7,840 lbs empty (0 people on board). The additional weight of the truck cuts down somewhat on the available payload capacity.

Ford diesels are very heavy, much heavier than Chevys. So the higher GVWR is impressive, but a lot of the weight is dead weight, the cargo capacity is not any higher.

[bigred715]

Brad,
If you added 300# for passengers it would put your truck at 8140# Subtract from your 11400# GVW gives you 3260# for possible pin weight.
My Chevy EXT cab long box weighs 7260#. Subtract that from my 9900# GVW only gives me 2640# for possible pin weight. Fords may be a lot heavier but they can carry more. I don't know why Chevy is weak on their GVW rating other than they aren't built as heavy duty.

[bsmeaton]

300 lbs for passengers would be wishful thinking Big Red - but thanks for the compliment.

Realistically if we include the 2 kids we would be at 500 lbs of passengers. Our loaded actual pin weight is 2,540 lbs. Pin and passengers put us at 3,040 lbs + 7,840 lbs truck (wet) puts us within 520 lbs of our max 11,400 lbs GVWR.

I actually didn't know Chev numbers. We went with Ford mainly to keep the short bed crew cab 1-ton, and chev don't make one. Wonder if the 08 Chev numbers are any better?

[Eagle Man]

Chevy's numbers for the new model 07 are basically the same as before. The only real difference is that the GCWR for the beefed up 6.0L goes from 16k to 18.5k.

Bigred715, IMHO, if you'll check the sticker, I think you'll find the Fords carry very little more than the GM models, they are just much heavier trucks.

[exav8tr]

Brad, out of curousity, when you say your truck weighs 7840 lbs, does that include full fuel, hitch, bed liner (if installed) or any other aftermarket add ons? I am really trying to justify a new truck but having probs with the 3500 and 350 numbers. As a Full timer I probably haul a little more than you. When I get the GVWR of the truck correct, the GCWR of truck and trailer is off. Also do you know if Keystone wll replace 6k axles for 7k and give you a new weight rating? I guess I need to call them direct but wanted some ammo before calling them......

Thanks Phil

[Yoganut]

Ford went model and engine specific for GVWR back in 05. My model with the V10 has an 11200 pound GVWR but my V10 weighs 500 pounds less than a PSD so I gain 300 pounds of payload. I have to be sweet and kind when talking about this or I will be punted off the site like I was as Wrenchtraveller. Hugs and kisses everyone........... LOL.

[bncinwv]

Phil,
If the partridge is flying in the limbs of the pear tree, does it still need to be added in the weight calculations. Everyone is getting entirely too somber and serious lately on the forum, got to do something silly occassionally!!!!! Had a great service in Church tonight (Acts) and am definitely in a good mood. As always.....sorry, just can't resist. LOL!!!!
Bingo

[bsmeaton]

quote:Originally posted by pparamore

Brad, out of curousity, when you say your truck weighs 7840 lbs, does that include full fuel, hitch, bed liner (if installed) or any other aftermarket add ons? I am really trying to justify a new truck but having probs with the 3500 and 350 numbers. As a Full timer I probably haul a little more than you. When I get the GVWR of the truck correct, the GCWR of truck and trailer is off. Also do you know if Keystone wll replace 6k axles for 7k and give you a new weight rating? I guess I need to call them direct but wanted some ammo before calling them......

Thanks Phil

Hi Phil! I just weighed the truck a month ago after filling up with fuel. Truck was full of gas but no passengers or driver (I was off the scale trying to reach the button on the CAT). The truck is pretty much a stock lariat with bedliner and reese hitch. No real addons.

I don't know about the axles. Ours was one of the first ones out with the 7K axles and it was tagged correct. I'm thinking if Keystone believes the 6K axles meet the stamped GVWR on the Monty, they are not going to replace them free, but I just don't know. Wish you the best of luck on that. I know you are running heavier than us, mostly because you are full timing. Same day I weighed trailer and was 11,300 lbs on the axles.

[sreigle]

I don't have any authoritative knowledge. I've only looked underneath each of the trucks when we were trying to make a purchase decision back in May. I believe the difference is in the frame. The Dodge and Ford frames are very heavy. Fully boxed. The Chevy has a weaker frame, from my estimation. Again, I am not an authority, I'm only judging from looking at them. That's not to say the Chevy frame is weak, just that it's not as strong as the Ford and Dodge and that may be why the GVWR is not higher. On the other hand, Dodge went to the heavy fully boxed frame in 2006 (I think that's the right year) but hardly raised GVWR at all.

[bigred715]

Steve,
That sounds logical. Chevy probably does have a weaker frame. I think that is a big mistake on GMs part. I would rather my truck be 800# heavier or whatever weight, and have a GVW of 11400# instead of 9900# so I would have the additional carrying capacity to pull a 3400RL within limits.

[sreigle]

quote:Originally posted by Eagle Man


Ford diesels are very heavy, much heavier than Chevys. So the higher GVWR is impressive, but a lot of the weight is dead weight, the cargo capacity is not any higher.

I used to believe that, too, but what I'm seeing lately makes me think this is wrong.

October 2007 issue of Diesel World magazine has a test of the Big Three diesels. Unfortunately, their test trucks are not all equal. Ford and Dodge are crew cabs, the Chevrolet is the lighter extended cab. 4.10 axle in the Dodge. 3.73 in the others. One ton Ford, lighter 3/4 ton Dodge and Chevy. The Dodge is a longbed, the Ford and Chevy are shortbeds.

But here's the Ford and Chevy weights. Take note the Ford is both 1 ton and crew cab while the Chevy is 3/4 ton and extended cab.

Curb weight:

2007 Chevrolet Silverado HD LTZ Extended Cab 4x4 - 6609

2008 Ford F350 4x4 Crew Cab Lariat Styleside - 6698

Note the Ford is only 89 pounds heavier despite being a crew cab AND a one ton. This makes me think the Chevy in the same configuration might well be heavier than the Ford. These numbers are from the magazine and it is possible they are mistaken or misprinted.

[Eagle Man]

quote:Originally posted by sreigle

I used to believe that, too, but what I'm seeing lately makes me think this is wrong.

October 2007 issue of Diesel World magazine has a test of the Big Three diesels. Unfortunately, their test trucks are not all equal. Ford and Dodge are crew cabs, the Chevrolet is the lighter extended cab. 4.10 axle in the Dodge. 3.73 in the others. One ton Ford, lighter 3/4 ton Dodge and Chevy. The Dodge is a longbed, the Ford and Chevy are shortbeds.

But here's the Ford and Chevy weights. Take note the Ford is both 1 ton and crew cab while the Chevy is 3/4 ton and extended cab.

Curb weight:

2007 Chevrolet Silverado HD LTZ Extended Cab 4x4 - 6609

2008 Ford F350 4x4 Crew Cab Lariat Styleside - 6698

Note the Ford is only 89 pounds heavier despite being a crew cab AND a one ton. This makes me think the Chevy in the same configuration might well be heavier than the Ford. These numbers are from the magazine and it is possible they are mistaken or misprinted.

I believe if you check the actual vehicles, you'll find Fords are much heavier. The published material cannot be used, it is not reliable for a like vehicle comparison. If you check the data plates on the vehicles, you will see the typical Ford is about 700 lbs heavier than an identical Chevy. Compare cargo capacity vs GVWR and the difference will be obvious. The Ford will have about 100 lbs more cargo capacity, but its GW will be 10000 vs the Chevy's 9200. I've looked at them on the lots.

[sreigle]

You're probably right. My 2005 F250 crewcab shortbed said 6920 on the data plate. The weight difference is in the frame and the heavier front suspension of the Ford. To tell the truth, I'd rather have the strength than the lighter weight. But that's just my preference.