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02-09-2007, 08:05 AM
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Montana Master
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quote:Originally posted by rickety
Yep, beat to death.
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Ditto
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02-09-2007, 01:11 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Oceanside
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M.O.C. #20
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Cat, I have to respectfully both agree and disagree with you. I agree it does not change the GVWR numbers on the door. Nothing changes that. A chip in the engine does not change the official HP and torque. It only increases performance. Beefing up suspension on an F250 does not change the official GVWR. It only increases the performance, the ability of the truck to handle additional weight. Other factors have to be considered, of course, as the actual ability will still be no more than the weakest link. Increasing capacity of the rear suspension does, in fact, increase the ability of that suspension to handle additional weight but must also be limited by other factors, including axle, tires, brakes, etc. Given that those things are the same in the F250 (with the optional tires) and F350, well, it's pretty clear to me.
I also see no abnormal wear. The wheel bearings are the originals, never repacked. The brake pads are all original. Not close to needing replacing. Etc. The OEM tires were replaced at 70k miles with a few thousand miles of tread left and a flat wear pattern. The truck has 76k miles.
With this let's once again do a gentlemen's agreement to agree to disagree since neither of us is going to change the other's mind. Mine is from practical experience in many miles of towing heavy fifths. Your point of view is just as legit to you. We are each correct in our own minds.
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02-09-2007, 01:24 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2005
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Amen
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02-09-2007, 01:58 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2006
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M.O.C. #5751
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quote:Originally posted by sreigle
Cat, I have to respectfully both agree and disagree with you. I agree it does not change the GVWR numbers on the door. Nothing changes that. A chip in the engine does not change the official HP and torque. It only increases performance. Beefing up suspension on an F250 does not change the official GVWR. It only increases the performance, the ability of the truck to handle additional weight. Other factors have to be considered, of course, as the actual ability will still be no more than the weakest link. Increasing capacity of the rear suspension does, in fact, increase the ability of that suspension to handle additional weight but must also be limited by other factors, including axle, tires, brakes, etc. Given that those things are the same in the F250 (with the optional tires) and F350, well, it's pretty clear to me.
I also see no abnormal wear. The wheel bearings are the originals, never repacked. The brake pads are all original. Not close to needing replacing. Etc. The OEM tires were replaced at 70k miles with a few thousand miles of tread left and a flat wear pattern. The truck has 76k miles.
With this let's once again do a gentlemen's agreement to agree to disagree since neither of us is going to change the other's mind. Mine is from practical experience in many miles of towing heavy fifths. Your point of view is just as legit to you. We are each correct in our own minds.
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Okay, Steve, I'll agree to disagree...we have about beat this to death. Just remember, weight limits (under or over) are like being pregnant...you either are or you aren't!
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