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07-11-2018, 08:28 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Haysville
Posts: 4,261
M.O.C. #3085
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A bit of conversation on AC cooling or lack of
No matter what RV forum you visit in recent years, the topic of inadequate cooling is near the top of most visited threads. The causes range from collapsed return air ducts with the Whisper Quiet design, to a lesser degree collapsed supply ducts, the divider under the roof top unit that separates the return from supply air, and also just plain not enough square inches of venting per manufacturers specs. One cause not talked about much is what Freon is being used. A brand new unit today more than likely uses 410A
the older units more than likely use R22. R22 is being phased out
410A is in, but runs at a higher pressure. A same sized R22 unit will cool better than a 410A unit ... most any honest AC tech will admit it
at least in my neck of the woods. Although I'm talking stick house units here ... some local AC companies are upsizing the new central AC units a bit for a given square footage to compensate. Current large capacity RV AC's are 15K BTU
perhaps they need to bump them up a bit as well instead of just installing #3 roof unit.
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07-12-2018, 07:53 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,528
M.O.C. #2283
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What I don’t understand is my home has 2 tons 24000 btu air conditioning. These 400 square campers have 30000 btu and still wont cool the campers. I have a 200 square foot sunroom with 12000 btu air conditioning, 5 sliding glass doors and 3 sky lights and I don’t run a forth of the time. Something just ain’t right with this.
Lynwood
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07-12-2018, 01:04 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Wilsey
Posts: 18,799
M.O.C. #11455
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Your home isn't suspended in the air and open to the wind on all four sides and it also has much better insulation and venting in your attic area. Your home also doesn't have slideouts with all the air leaks and even less insulation and no vents in the roof area.
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07-12-2018, 01:10 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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What DQDick said.
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07-12-2018, 02:03 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,528
M.O.C. #2283
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They advertise these campers with very high R values certainly more than a glass door or a skylight has. 12000 BYUs cools my sunroom so certainly 30000 should cool less Space per AC unit in a camper IF and that is a big IF the AC actually put out 15000 BTUs each. Either they don’t put out nearly 15000 BTUs or they are extremely inefficient.
Lynwood
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07-12-2018, 02:44 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Medford
Posts: 498
M.O.C. #18546
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As I noted on another thread, the insulation envelope has HUGE gaps in it. You have vast areas with little more than a piece of 1/2 inch plywood between the conditioned air space and the outside, plus as has been noted, gaps and cracks at slides, lots of window glass, skylights and roof vents, etc. plus the crummy ducting noted above. And, although the black painted endcap looks bitchin, it gets the upstairs area super hot when facing the sun.
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07-12-2018, 03:08 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Haysville
Posts: 4,261
M.O.C. #3085
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I've posted this link a few times over the past years of what I did to my 3150 with the dropped frame. It helped cooling and heating very noticeably and all but eliminated the cool winter drafts and blasts of hot summer air coming out from under the stairs. Like mentioned … the cargo doors don't seal very well at all and it can carry on in to the fiver living area.
http://www.montanaowners.com/forums/...ht=design+flaw
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07-12-2018, 04:50 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Wilsey
Posts: 18,799
M.O.C. #11455
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Nice job!
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