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Old 11-15-2020, 09:40 PM   #21
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There is a big difference between dying from Corona vs. dying with Corona. The medical community is not our friend with regards to reporting the truth. Ultimately, it leads to money as to what drives the hysteria. Will the vaccine help the situation? Probably.
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Old 11-16-2020, 06:42 AM   #23
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Okay My wife and I both have additionalconditions that increase our risks if we catch Covid. However, I am concerned with the vaccine's safety. Teh Vaccine has been fast tracked and other safety measures by-passed. Then given Pfizer's track record of lawsuits, I am not so sure I would want to take the shot in a early wave.

https://www.drugwatch.com/manufacturers/pfizer/

Pfizer has had many triumphs. It discovered citric acid. It mass produces penicillin and vitamin C. But for all its successes, it has also seen its fair share of lawsuits and scandal.

Consumers have accused Pfizer of selling defective products. The U.S. government has charged the company with health care fraud.

Fortune magazine named Pfizer the world’s most admired pharmaceutical company in 1997. But in 2017, a Reputation Institute report ranked Pfizer last among the top 17 drug makers for reputation.
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Old 11-16-2020, 07:39 AM   #24
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Moderna pharma just announced early positive vaccine results. This should help those wanting such things. With less than 4% of our population affected, even less if we had accurate data, it should help with getting the other 96% of the country back to normalcy.
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Down to petty bickering now. Time to close the thread.
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Old 11-16-2020, 08:54 PM   #26
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Down to petty bickering now. Time to close the thread.
I have noticed that those who feel outwitted respond on this forum. They intentionally bring it into a forbidden area to get the mods to act on their behalf.

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Old 11-17-2020, 07:39 AM   #27
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What is the biggest threat

My fear is some one is going to control our communication ,because they know what is best for us, What is freedom ? Jerome and Judy
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Old 11-17-2020, 01:00 PM   #28
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I have noticed that those who feel outwitted respond on this forum. They intentionally bring it into a forbidden area to get the mods to act on their behalf.

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Many posts have been removed from this discussion as it has wandered off the rails and substantially afoul of the sites posting rules. This is an RV board we have specific prohibitions on political topics. it's worth noting that we also require members to post in a collegial way. That means no insults, no name calling and no trolling.

This years pandemic has been a heavylift for most of us. Some have lost family and friends, some have lost livelihood and some have have had their usual lifestyle disrupted by reductions in travel and social options. Most folks are on edge or have easily pushed buttons surrounding these changes.

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Old 11-17-2020, 01:58 PM   #30
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Most of us probably will get the vaccine in the third wave. First responders and medical personnel and those in an old age home will go before us. We should be able to get our vaccine in the second quarter next year.
Fingers crossed that everything works out.
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Old 11-17-2020, 02:13 PM   #31
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Bottom line for us is being able to enjoy traveling and camping. My wife is retired and I am retiring at the end of December. Whether or not folks opt for a vaccine, my hope is that by mere virtue of it's broad availability that many, if not all, of the current restrictions will be lifted and life can return to a form a normalcy. That includes easier access to all of our various RV parks and the countless sights and excursions that our country affords.
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Old 11-22-2020, 07:36 PM   #32
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I donít pay much attention to the numbers on the news. I know this is serious and DW and I are taking it serious. We do not want to catch this thing. As stated earlier in this thread - we will get the vaccine as soon as it is available. We have been doing flu and pneumonia and shingles etc. I donít want to catch that stuff either. I suspect we will be wearing masks for a while even after the vaccine comes out. Ok...whatever...itís no big deal for me. I just do not want to catch this.

As to the numbers and statistics...my 92 yr old mother died Aug 11. After being locked up for her own safety in the assisted living home, my sister could not come take her out on the routine week of Sonic, bridge with friends, Mexican food at Franciscoís, etc etc. For some reason - she quit eating on July 11. Maybe a medication got off. She could not keep anything down, even water. Everybody did everything that should have been done. My sisters and I think she just gave up, did not want to go on like this locked away from loved ones, and she wanted to be with Dad, her sister, etc etc. She did not have COVID - but she was most certainly a casualty of this situation. I agree that the nursing homes needed to be closed off to protect seniors but the loneliness is a killer. Where do they track that statistic?
Same here. My Mom passed away on June 22nd in a very well known high$$ retirement home. Don't know if Covid played a part, but our guess is loneliness. No one could could see her for months.
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She was 94 years old.
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Loneliness is a very serious problem for anyone especially older people. We are very sorry about your mother. Loss of our parents is always a very sad thing.
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Old 11-23-2020, 11:21 AM   #35
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When we were younger, we healed up quickly and could take on the world. Now that we are the older generation, we have to take an inventory almost daily to ensure the next decade will come along. I have to trust science will give us that opportunity and go with the hope for staying healthy enough to absorb everything I put into getting to retirement. Reality sets in when on a nice Saturday afternoon, someone from contact tracing calls you and said you were in a location where a staff member tested positive and to self quarantine and cancel everything. I had access to a testing site and 24 hours later was negative. I will also be maintaining a healthy dose of vitamins as recommended and the flu vaccine will at least slow down the possible Asymptomatic COVID conditions everyone will quickly jump to. My mindset needs to change to preventive, instead of resistive. Just my thoughts this week.
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Don't forget, they gave immunity to the drug companies in those stimulus packages.
Being a Gulf War Vet, and forced to take the experimental Anthrax vaccine, I'm VERY suspicious of fast tracked drugs.
Seeing as the US soldiers were the only ones taking the Anthrax vaccine, they were also the ONLY ones who came home with GulfWar Syndrome...
I will wait a while before I stand in line for a new fast tracked vaccine.
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Did anyone see the 60 Minutes segment on the side effects of this Crona virus. People with mild to moderate disease sometimes have bad side effects and the medical community can’t figure out why. They talked to a runner that can’t walk very far.
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Did anyone see the 60 Minutes segment on the side effects of this Crona virus. People with mild to moderate disease sometimes have bad side effects and the medical community canít figure out why. They talked to a runner that canít walk very far.
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Didnít see that one, but there have been numerous stories on local TV news, web news, and in the paper of the various long term unexplained complications some covid patients are suffering, some of those for months afterward.

DFW and Texas new cases and deaths have been hitting new highs almost daily the last several days.
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Don't forget, they gave immunity to the drug companies in those stimulus packages.
Being a Gulf War Vet, and forced to take the experimental Anthrax vaccine, I'm VERY suspicious of fast tracked drugs.
Seeing as the US soldiers were the only ones taking the Anthrax vaccine, they were also the ONLY ones who came home with GulfWar Syndrome...
I will wait a while before I stand in line for a new fast tracked vaccine.
Iím with you, Iím not in a hurry to be someoneís Guinea Pig. This ďvaccineĒ is maybe 6 months old. We have no idea what the long term effects of it may be. It might cause blindness, heart disease, cancer or any number of other things over the long term. No thanks.

P.S. Daryles, and all other Veterans, police, fire & front line workers, thank you for your service & sacrifices. Weíve got your six.
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Old 11-24-2020, 10:04 AM   #40
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It's been awhile since taking the flu shots. The last two shots I took, I ended up sicker than I've been in many years ... no more flu shots. I have done the Shingles and Pneumonia shots with no issues.

Now for interests sake - find the folks that anti-vaccination. Their side of this whole discussion revolves around the way methods being used to make them has many potential bad long term side effects ... worth looking into. If I do the 19, it will not be early into the release ... IMHO. ie don't buy the first release new model TV ...
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